30 Jun 2005 18:35:41
(PeteCresswell)
Ezzy 5.4 Inffinity Rigged Camless vs Ezzy RAF?

Anybody want to venture a guess as to how much is lost by rigging a 5.4 Infinity
camless as opposed to a sail that was designed from the bottom up as an RAF?

10%
15%

zero?
--
PeteCresswell


30 Jun 2005 16:12:30
ScottG
Re: Ezzy 5.4 Inffinity Rigged Camless vs Ezzy RAF?

10% sounds like a good guess.
This is a guess, based on my experience with larger Infinity's and
comparing them to larger Ezzy Waves.
Hard to quantify with a number like "10%" but you asked for it.
Infinity is definitely designed for cams (not as stable or powerful
without them).
YMMV

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Anybody want to venture a guess as to how much is lost by rigging a 5.4 Infinity
> camless as opposed to a sail that was designed from the bottom up as an RAF?
>
> 10%
> 15%
>
> zero?
> --
> PeteCresswell



30 Jun 2005 18:23:31
LeeD
Re: Ezzy 5.4 Inffinity Rigged Camless vs Ezzy RAF?

I actually still use North Infinities. I take the cam out on all 3.
Don't need it, I like to pump and be active, plane up sooner than
anyone on equal sized cam sails.
On my MPR's, I cut the cam out. Don't need it, blah blah, I plane up
sooner than anyone whether they have one or 5 cams on equal sized sail.
But if I were a brick and never moved or pump, or ooch, the cams
would help me plane sooner.



30 Jun 2005 21:58:01
Glenn Woodell
Re: Ezzy 5.4 Inffinity Rigged Camless vs Ezzy RAF?

I'll bite on this one again. I have been sailing Infinities and SE
Waves for several years. My quiver consists of an Infinity in 6.6, and
SE Waves in 5.2 and 4.2 with nothing in between.

When I made the switch to Ezzy's I wanted a small quiver. I compared
the 6.6 Infinity against the 6.9 SE Wave. I wanted a sail which would
have enough range to get me down to 5.2 conditions yet still be easy
to handle.

The Infinity felt too much like a cammed sail the the winds got into
the mid 20's. Otherwise it felt great. The 6.9 got a little hard to
control in the mid-20's and just felt heavy for the power I was
getting out of it.

Without the cams, the Infinity started to get unstable (draft moving
back) before I got to 5.2 conditions.

I found out that the best setup for me was the 6.6 with just the
bottom cam. At least for me this gives the sail a great feeling in
light winds as well as way overpowering winds.

Just a week ago I was out with a sailor who was a little better than
me. I had been out on my 6.6 in confortable winds. My friend rigged
his virgin North something with no cams in a 5.7. The winds were just
starting to come up more so he got comfortably powered pretty quickly.

As the winds came up I added a little outhaul while he did the same.
As they picked up some more we both did the same again. Then we both
went to downhual with im going to max. I was at about the halfway mark
on my sail and I finished out the session for another hour with this
setting.

He was quite overpowered while although I had a hand full, I was never
really overpowered yet sailing noticibly faster and in more control
than he was. He kept complaining about being overpowered while I know
that I could have been confortable on my 5.2 but didn't feel like
switching so close to dark.

When powered up like this, the Infinity feels like a camless yet has
the guts and especially the stability of a fully cammed sail. I base
this on my being able to hold the boom with just the finger tips,
without hands at all if the water had been flatter.

I had a similar situation a few months back in Hatteras where I had
about the biggest sail on the water of the guys my size while others
had 5.0's and a few had smaller. With both cams in place the sail gets
that cammy feeling but with just the one you never feel it yet the
sail is incredibly stable. I'm really sold on the Infinities and this
is not a sales pitch. I wouldn't still be sailing them if I didn't
like them this much.

I never noticed the sail being any more stable. Hard to be more stable
than already stable, and it's got what seems like the same low end
with one or two cams. With just the bottom one in the sails hardly
look any different.

Glenn

On 30 Jun 2005 16:12:30 -0700, "ScottG" <[email protected] > wrote:

>10% sounds like a good guess.
>This is a guess, based on my experience with larger Infinity's and
>comparing them to larger Ezzy Waves.
>Hard to quantify with a number like "10%" but you asked for it.
>Infinity is definitely designed for cams (not as stable or powerful
>without them).
>YMMV
>
>(PeteCresswell) wrote:
>> Anybody want to venture a guess as to how much is lost by rigging a 5.4 Infinity
>> camless as opposed to a sail that was designed from the bottom up as an RAF?
>>
>> 10%
>> 15%
>>
>> zero?
>> --
>> PeteCresswell



01 Jul 2005 05:31:11
wsurfn
Re: Ezzy 5.4 Inffinity Rigged Camless vs Ezzy RAF?

Glenn:

Interesting, I have the same spacing. What do you sail in the surf if
you need a 6-something---your Infinity?



01 Jul 2005 08:39:55
(PeteCresswell)
Re: Ezzy 5.4 Inffinity Rigged Camless vs Ezzy RAF?

Per Glenn Woodell:
>and it's got what seems like the same low end
>with one or two cams. With just the bottom one in the sails hardly
>look any different.

I've been running just the bottom cam on my 6.6 since you suggested it way back
when...


--
PeteCresswell


01 Jul 2005 13:22:26
Glenn Woodell
Re: Ezzy 5.4 Inffinity Rigged Camless vs Ezzy RAF?

In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] says...
>
>Glenn:
>
>Interesting, I have the same spacing. What do you sail in the surf if
>you need a 6-something---your Infinity?

Yep. No big surf around here but I do get some "clew engagement" occasionally.
Most of my 6.6 sailing is of the small chop or flat water slalom type. With
the 5.2 it's usually big chop, bump and jump.

Glenn