21 Feb 2007 11:06:21
Joe
running & eating healthy

Hi,
I have started jogging and been at it for about 6 months now. Now I
would like to change my eating habits to give myself more energy, but
have no idea where to begin. All the books I have looked at are geared
around changing diet to try to lose weight, which I am not trying to
do. Could anyone point me in the right direction, or knows of a good
resource on the web?

Items I am interested in include:

* I usually jog after work around 6pm, typically I have one large meal
a day, and 2 smaller meals. Would I benefit from having a large/
nutritous lunch, or would this weigh me down for my jog later?

* What is a typcal healthy diet for a beginner runner? could you give
an example.

* Protein rich foods seems to be what I eat less of - are there
vitamin supplements?

-Joe



21 Feb 2007 14:47:59
Al Bundy
Re: running & eating healthy

On Feb 21, 2:06 pm, "Joe" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Hi,
> I have started jogging and been at it for about 6 months now. Now I
> would like to change my eating habits to give myself more energy, but
> have no idea where to begin. All the books I have looked at are geared
> around changing diet to try to lose weight, which I am not trying to
> do. Could anyone point me in the right direction, or knows of a good
> resource on the web?
>
> Items I am interested in include:
>
> * I usually jog after work around 6pm, typically I have one large meal
> a day, and 2 smaller meals. Would I benefit from having a large/
> nutritous lunch, or would this weigh me down for my jog later?
>
> * What is a typcal healthy diet for a beginner runner? could you give
> an example.
>
> * Protein rich foods seems to be what I eat less of - are there
> vitamin supplements?
>
> -Joe

Sounds like you are doing OK, but please don't tell us whether you are
running two blocks, two miles, or a 10K after work. We love to guess.
You can Google and find all sorts of competing recommendations about
diet.
My single recommendation that you won't see everywhere it to get
plenty of regular sleep.



21 Feb 2007 15:00:12
wully-m
Re: running & eating healthy

On 21 Feb, 19:06, "Joe" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Hi,
> I have started jogging and been at it for about 6 months now. Now I
> would like to change my eating habits to give myself more energy, but
> have no idea where to begin. All the books I have looked at are geared
> around changing diet to try to lose weight, which I am not trying to
> do. Could anyone point me in the right direction, or knows of a good
> resource on the web?
>
> Items I am interested in include:
>
> * I usually jog after work around 6pm, typically I have one large meal
> a day, and 2 smaller meals. Would I benefit from having a large/
> nutritous lunch, or would this weigh me down for my jog later?
>
> * What is a typcal healthy diet for a beginner runner? could you give
> an example.
>
> * Protein rich foods seems to be what I eat less of - are there
> vitamin supplements?
>
> -Joe

I suppose I would say get lots of raw fruit and veg and drink a lot of
water regularly throughout the day.



21 Feb 2007 15:43:16
runsrealfast
Re: running & eating healthy

On Feb 21, 1:06 pm, "Joe" <[email protected] > wrote:

> * What is a typcal healthy diet for a beginner runner? could you give
> an example.

Staying AWAY from the vending machines in the late afternoon.

John




21 Feb 2007 17:48:17
bluezfolk
Re: running & eating healthy

On Feb 21, 2:06 pm, "Joe" <[email protected] > wrote:
> Hi,
> I have started jogging and been at it for about 6 months now. Now I
> would like to change my eating habits to give myself more energy, but
> have no idea where to begin. All the books I have looked at are geared
> around changing diet to try to lose weight, which I am not trying to
> do. Could anyone point me in the right direction, or knows of a good
> resource on the web?
>
> Items I am interested in include:
>
> * I usually jog after work around 6pm, typically I have one large meal
> a day, and 2 smaller meals. Would I benefit from having a large/
> nutritous lunch, or would this weigh me down for my jog later?
>
> * What is a typcal healthy diet for a beginner runner? could you give
> an example.
>
> * Protein rich foods seems to be what I eat less of - are there
> vitamin supplements?
>
> -Joe

Contrary to what the weight loss gurus would have us believe, Complex
carbohydrates are our friends.


Eric



22 Feb 2007 07:06:37
pppeterrr
Re: running & eating healthy


"Joe" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hi,
> I have started jogging and been at it for about 6 months now. Now I
> would like to change my eating habits to give myself more energy, but
> have no idea where to begin. All the books I have looked at are geared
> around changing diet to try to lose weight, which I am not trying to
> do. Could anyone point me in the right direction, or knows of a good
> resource on the web?
>
> Items I am interested in include:
>
> * I usually jog after work around 6pm, typically I have one large meal
> a day, and 2 smaller meals. Would I benefit from having a large/
> nutritous lunch, or would this weigh me down for my jog later?
>
> * What is a typcal healthy diet for a beginner runner? could you give
> an example.
>
> * Protein rich foods seems to be what I eat less of - are there
> vitamin supplements?
>
> -Joe
>

Breakfast like a king.
Eat sensibly, snack sensibly.
Don't eat in front of the telly.
There's no need for supplements if you eat moderately well.
Don't cut out all the goodies.
Have a glass of red wine every night.

And you won't go far wrong.
Peter




22 Feb 2007 06:11:41
rick++
Re: running & eating healthy

I dont know about "healthy" but you may have to experiment a few years
to avoid digestive irritation from eating too soon or the wrong stuff
before
an average run. And if you eat too little or too early you may get
fatigued. And when racing these issues may intensify.




22 Feb 2007 10:15:55
Miss Anne Thrope
Re: running & eating healthy

This mouth breather really needs to be told about the produce section at
the supermarket?



22 Feb 2007 11:08:31
determined
Re: running & eating healthy


"Joe" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Hi,
> I have started jogging and been at it for about 6 months now. Now I
> would like to change my eating habits to give myself more energy, but
> have no idea where to begin. All the books I have looked at are geared
> around changing diet to try to lose weight, which I am not trying to
> do. Could anyone point me in the right direction, or knows of a good
> resource on the web?
>
> Items I am interested in include:
>
> * I usually jog after work around 6pm, typically I have one large meal
> a day, and 2 smaller meals. Would I benefit from having a large/
> nutritous lunch, or would this weigh me down for my jog later?
>
> * What is a typcal healthy diet for a beginner runner? could you give
> an example.
>
> * Protein rich foods seems to be what I eat less of - are there
> vitamin supplements?
>
> -Joe

This is a healthy diet in general - not specifically to a runner, but my
advice is to do your grocery shopping around the perimeter of the store.
That's where you find fruits, veggies, meats, dairy... Avoid the high
processed crap. Eat lean proteins like chicken and fish, low or nonfat
dairy, whole grains, etc.




23 Feb 2007 04:56:16
Griff
Re: running & eating healthy

On 21 Feb 2007 11:06:21 -0800, "Joe" <[email protected] > wrote:

>Hi,
>I have started jogging and been at it for about 6 months now. Now I
>would like to change my eating habits to give myself more energy, but
>have no idea where to begin. All the books I have looked at are geared
>around changing diet to try to lose weight, which I am not trying to
>do. Could anyone point me in the right direction, or knows of a good
>resource on the web?
>
>Items I am interested in include:
>
>* I usually jog after work around 6pm, typically I have one large meal
>a day, and 2 smaller meals. Would I benefit from having a large/
>nutritous lunch, or would this weigh me down for my jog later?
>
>* What is a typcal healthy diet for a beginner runner? could you give
>an example.
>
>* Protein rich foods seems to be what I eat less of - are there
>vitamin supplements?
>
>-Joe

Many years ago, when I was training for a marathon, I read Robert
Haas's book "Eat to Win". Sure, it's old now; but I think most of the
material is still very relevant. I ended up becoming a vegetarian
(mostly due to a different cause), and my running times improved
significantly. I'm sick a lot less too.

Fresh food - lots of fruit, veggies & grains. Don't sweat the protein;
it's hard to actually not get enough protein.


23 Feb 2007 17:58:34
Twittering One
Re: running & eating healthy

It's important to have an effective recovery snack,
immediately following your intense exertion.

Peanut butter on whole wheat is easily digested,
and a good balance of carbs, protein, and fat.



24 Feb 2007 02:06:17
MarkH
Re: running & eating healthy

"Twittering One" <[email protected] > wrote

> It's important to have an effective recovery snack,
> immediately following your intense exertion.
>
> Peanut butter on whole wheat is easily digested,
> and a good balance of carbs, protein, and fat.

...and salmonella.



23 Feb 2007 18:25:51
Twittering One
Re: running & eating healthy

> ...and salmonella.

True, recently;
is almond butter safe?




23 Feb 2007 21:47:37
Doug Freese
Re: running & eating healthy


"MarkH" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> "Twittering One" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> It's important to have an effective recovery snack,
>> immediately following your intense exertion.
>>
>> Peanut butter on whole wheat is easily digested,
>> and a good balance of carbs, protein, and fat.
>
> ...and salmonella.

So far it's just Peter Pan. Who would eat Peanut butter named after boy
that wouldn't grow up? I like Skippy, who wouldn't want to eat their
favorite Pug.

-DF




23 Feb 2007 20:31:36
KR
Re: running & eating healthy

I like Natur, it is just peanuts!!

Great Value Peanut Butter (Walmart brand) is also affected by the
salmonella....

KR

On Feb 23, 11:47 pm, "Doug Freese" <[email protected] > wrote:
> "MarkH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]
>
> > "Twittering One" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> It's important to have an effective recovery snack,
> >> immediately following your intense exertion.
>
> >> Peanut butter on whole wheat is easily digested,
> >> and a good balance of carbs, protein, and fat.
>
> > ...and salmonella.
>
> So far it's just Peter Pan. Who would eat Peanut butter named after boy
> that wouldn't grow up? I like Skippy, who wouldn't want to eat their
> favorite Pug.
>
> -DF




23 Feb 2007 22:18:25
Barry
Re: running & eating healthy


"Doug Freese" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> "> So far it's just Peter Pan. Who would eat Peanut butter named after boy
> that wouldn't grow up? I like Skippy, who wouldn't want to eat their
> favorite Pug.

In that case, I want a peanut butter named Marilyn.

>
> -DF
>




23 Feb 2007 21:33:39
Charlie Pendejo
Re: running & eating healthy

Barry wrote:
> In that case, I want a peanut butter named Marilyn.

Barry, you'd better get some peanut butter named Fish - it's supposed
to be brain food.



24 Feb 2007 05:37:37
Doug Freese
Re: running & eating healthy


"Charlie Pendejo" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Barry wrote:
>> In that case, I want a peanut butter named Marilyn.
>
> Barry, you'd better get some peanut butter named Fish - it's supposed
> to be brain food.

I think Barry means Marilyn Manson. He likes the he/she persona in his
food.

-DF




24 Feb 2007 07:43:10
Barry
Re: running & eating healthy


"Doug Freese" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> "Charlie Pendejo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> Barry wrote:
>>> In that case, I want a peanut butter named Marilyn.
>>
>> Barry, you'd better get some peanut butter named Fish - it's supposed
>> to be brain food.
>
> I think Barry means Marilyn Manson. He likes the he/she persona in his
> food.

You're both a little too "geeky" to have thought of or remember "Monroe."
That's my best guess.
>
> -DF
>




24 Feb 2007 15:55:24
MarkH
Re: running & eating healthy

"Twittering One" <[email protected] > wrote

>> ...and salmonella.
>
> True, recently;
> is almond butter safe?

No safer than PB. But why go with the processed stuff? Just eat
peanuts or almonds. Cheaper, healthier and more convenient.


24 Feb 2007 08:32:15
tfactor
Re: running & eating healthy

On Feb 24, 10:55 am, MarkH <[email protected] > wrote:
> "Twittering One" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> ...and salmonella.
>
> > True, recently;
> > is almond butter safe?
>
> No safer than PB. But why go with the processed stuff? Just eat
> peanuts or almonds. Cheaper, healthier and more convenient.


But it falls off the bread!

My local co-op has various bulk nuts and grinders so you can make your
own butters. Hazelnut butter is delicious - especially with shaved
chocolate on top.



24 Feb 2007 16:43:19
MarkH
Re: running & eating healthy

"tfactor" <[email protected] > wrote

> On Feb 24, 10:55 am, MarkH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Twittering One" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> >> ...and salmonella.
>>
>> > True, recently;
>> > is almond butter safe?
>>
>> No safer than PB. But why go with the processed stuff? Just
>> eat peanuts or almonds. Cheaper, healthier and more
>> convenient.
>
>
> But it falls off the bread!

Yeah, like real runners can afford to load up on bread.


24 Feb 2007 09:05:00
tfactor
Re: running & eating healthy

On Feb 24, 11:43 am, MarkH <[email protected] > wrote:
> "tfactor" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > On Feb 24, 10:55 am, MarkH <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Twittering One" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> >> ...and salmonella.
>
> >> > True, recently;
> >> > is almond butter safe?
>
> >> No safer than PB. But why go with the processed stuff? Just
> >> eat peanuts or almonds. Cheaper, healthier and more
> >> convenient.
>
> > But it falls off the bread!
>
> Yeah, like real runners can afford to load up on bread.

A loaf of good bread is what, $4.00? I bet most real runners can swing
that.



24 Feb 2007 09:55:36
Black Metal Martha
Re: running & eating healthy

On Feb 22, 8:56 pm, Griff <[email protected] > wrote:
> On 21 Feb 2007 11:06:21 -0800, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Hi,
> >I have started jogging and been at it for about 6 months now. Now I
> >would like to change my eating habits to give myself more energy, but
> >have no idea where to begin. All the books I have looked at are geared
> >around changing diet to try to lose weight, which I am not trying to
> >do. Could anyone point me in the right direction, or knows of a good
> >resource on the web?
>
> >Items I am interested in include:
>
> >* I usually jog after work around 6pm, typically I have one large meal
> >a day, and 2 smaller meals. Would I benefit from having a large/
> >nutritous lunch, or would this weigh me down for my jog later?
>
> >* What is a typcal healthy diet for a beginner runner? could you give
> >an example.
>
> >* Protein rich foods seems to be what I eat less of - are there
> >vitamin supplements?
>
> >-Joe
>
> Many years ago, when I was training for a marathon, I read Robert
> Haas's book "Eat to Win". Sure, it's old now; but I think most of the
> material is still very relevant. I ended up becoming a vegetarian
> (mostly due to a different cause), and my running times improved
> significantly. I'm sick a lot less too.
>
> Fresh food - lots of fruit, veggies & grains. Don't sweat the protein;
> it's hard to actually not get enough protein.


True, most people get too much, especially after all the lowcarb hype.
Thank goodness, that's pretty much gone now.



24 Feb 2007 18:19:06
MarkH
Re: running & eating healthy

"tfactor" <[email protected] > wrote

> On Feb 24, 11:43 am, MarkH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "tfactor" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> > On Feb 24, 10:55 am, MarkH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> "Twittering One" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> >> >> ...and salmonella.
>>
>> >> > True, recently;
>> >> > is almond butter safe?
>>
>> >> No safer than PB. But why go with the processed stuff?
>> >> Just eat peanuts or almonds. Cheaper, healthier and more
>> >> convenient.
>>
>> > But it falls off the bread!
>>
>> Yeah, like real runners can afford to load up on bread.
>
> A loaf of good bread is what, $4.00? I bet most real runners can
> swing that.

Yes, but real runners know that's not the kind of cost I'm talking
about. :-)


24 Feb 2007 10:39:24
Charlie Pendejo
Re: running & eating healthy

Barry wrote:
> Doug wrote:
>> Pendejo wrote:
>>> Barry wrote:
>>>> I want a peanut butter named Marilyn.
>
>>> Barry, you'd better get some peanut butter named Fish -
>>> it's supposed to be brain food.
>
>> I think Barry means Marilyn Manson. He likes the he/she persona
>> in his food.
>
> You're both a little too "geeky" to have thought of or remember
> "Monroe." That's my best guess.

Barry, if you refer to Jim J. Bullock's character on "Too Close For
Comfort," you're right, he's not who immediately came to mind. More
power to you.



24 Feb 2007 12:20:33
Barry
Re: running & eating healthy


"Charlie Pendejo" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>>
>> You're both a little too "geeky" to have thought of or remember
>> "Monroe." That's my best guess.
>
> Barry, if you refer to Jim J. Bullock's character on "Too Close For
> Comfort," you're right, he's not who immediately came to mind. More
> power to you.

20,000 comedians out of work and that is the best you can do? Better stick
to whatever it is you do.

>




24 Feb 2007 14:50:26
Doug Freese
Re: running & eating healthy


"Barry" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>> You're both a little too "geeky" to have thought of or remember
>> "Monroe."
> That's my best guess.

I'm sorry to say I remember her well. Geeky maybe but I have the
years. I remember Rin Tin Tin, Hopalong Cassidy and the Marx Brothers.

-DF




24 Feb 2007 13:18:16
tfactor
Re: running & eating healthy

On Feb 24, 1:19 pm, MarkH <[email protected] > wrote:
> "tfactor" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>
> > On Feb 24, 11:43 am, MarkH <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "tfactor" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> > On Feb 24, 10:55 am, MarkH <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> "Twittering One" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> >> >> ...and salmonella.
>
> >> >> > True, recently;
> >> >> > is almond butter safe?
>
> >> >> No safer than PB. But why go with the processed stuff?
> >> >> Just eat peanuts or almonds. Cheaper, healthier and more
> >> >> convenient.
>
> >> > But it falls off the bread!
>
> >> Yeah, like real runners can afford to load up on bread.
>
> > A loaf of good bread is what, $4.00? I bet most real runners can
> > swing that.
>
> Yes, but real runners know that's not the kind of cost I'm talking
> about. :-)


So you're a calorie counter, not a coupon clipper? Thanks but I'm not
interested in dietary tips from either one. Have a great day!



24 Feb 2007 22:29:22
MarkH
Re: running & eating healthy

"tfactor" <[email protected] > wrote

> On Feb 24, 1:19 pm, MarkH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "tfactor" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 24, 11:43 am, MarkH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> "tfactor" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> >> > On Feb 24, 10:55 am, MarkH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> "Twittering One" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> >> >> >> ...and salmonella.
>>
>> >> >> > True, recently;
>> >> >> > is almond butter safe?
>>
>> >> >> No safer than PB. But why go with the processed stuff?
>> >> >> Just eat peanuts or almonds. Cheaper, healthier and more
>> >> >> convenient.
>>
>> >> > But it falls off the bread!
>>
>> >> Yeah, like real runners can afford to load up on bread.
>>
>> > A loaf of good bread is what, $4.00? I bet most real runners
>> > can swing that.
>>
>> Yes, but real runners know that's not the kind of cost I'm
>> talking about. :-)
>
>
> So you're a calorie counter, not a coupon clipper? Thanks but
> I'm not interested in dietary tips from either one. Have a great
> day!

No one is offering you any dietary tips - you were the one who
butted in. But I have yet to meet a top-grade AG runner who wasn't
extremely careful about his diet. One need not be a "calorie
counter", but many competitive runners know instinctively how to
limit their carbohydrate and caloric intake. It becomes second
nature. However, feel free to ignore that unsolicited tip.


25 Feb 2007 01:21:47
Dot
Re: running & eating healthy

Doug Freese wrote:
> "Barry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>>>You're both a little too "geeky" to have thought of or remember
>>>"Monroe."
>>
>>That's my best guess.
>
>
> I'm sorry to say I remember her well. Geeky maybe but I have the
> years. I remember Rin Tin Tin, Hopalong Cassidy and the Marx Brothers.

Now that's when television was worth watching :) - and a person could
watch most any time without getting offended or having nightmares. Ozzie
& Harriet, the Beav, Lassie, ... I hesitate to watch after 8pm these
days and even some of the 7pm ones are marginal.

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope



25 Feb 2007 01:22:41
Dot
Re: running & eating healthy

MarkH wrote:
> But I have yet to meet a top-grade AG runner who wasn't
> extremely careful about his diet. One need not be a "calorie
> counter", but many competitive runners know instinctively how to
> limit their carbohydrate and caloric intake. It becomes second
> nature. However, feel free to ignore that unsolicited tip.

And us tail-of-the-packers hit Arby's on the way home. Dang, those curly
fries were good and certainly helped thaw out the core. (frozen clif bar
and slushy SlimFast replaced calories but not warmth)

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope



25 Feb 2007 01:39:23
MarkH
Re: running & eating healthy

Dot <[email protected]#duh?att.net > wrote

> MarkH wrote:
> > But I have yet to meet a top-grade AG runner who wasn't
>> extremely careful about his diet. One need not be a "calorie
>> counter", but many competitive runners know instinctively how
>> to limit their carbohydrate and caloric intake. It becomes
>> second nature. However, feel free to ignore that unsolicited
>> tip.
>
> And us tail-of-the-packers hit Arby's on the way home. Dang,
> those curly fries were good and certainly helped thaw out the
> core. (frozen clif bar and slushy SlimFast replaced calories but
> not warmth)

Some people are after fast times. Others find satisfaction in fast
foods. Everyone according to their own ambitions.


24 Feb 2007 18:38:03
Twittering One
Re: running & eating healthy

> Some people are after fast times. Others find satisfaction in fast
> foods. Everyone according to their own ambitions.

... & what will you do when you get there?




25 Feb 2007 02:53:52
MarkH
Re: running & eating healthy

"Twittering One" <[email protected] > wrote

>> Some people are after fast times. Others find satisfaction in
>> fast foods. Everyone according to their own ambitions.
>
> ... & what will you do when you get there?

I'll send you a postcard.


25 Feb 2007 08:03:18
Dot
Re: running & eating healthy

MarkH wrote:
> Dot <[email protected]#duh?att.net> wrote
>
>
>>MarkH wrote:
>>
>>>But I have yet to meet a top-grade AG runner who wasn't
>>>extremely careful about his diet. One need not be a "calorie
>>>counter", but many competitive runners know instinctively how
>>>to limit their carbohydrate and caloric intake. It becomes
>>>second nature. However, feel free to ignore that unsolicited
>>>tip.
>>
>>And us tail-of-the-packers hit Arby's on the way home. Dang,
>>those curly fries were good and certainly helped thaw out the
>>core. (frozen clif bar and slushy SlimFast replaced calories but
>>not warmth)
>
>
> Some people are after fast times. Others find satisfaction in fast
> foods. Everyone according to their own ambitions.

People differ in their stepping stones. Hot food makes a more pleasant
hour-long drive home when it's near 0F, and it speeds my recovery to go
run again tomorrow to progress toward my ambitions.;)

Dot

--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope