22 Feb 2007 17:58:55
Doug Freese
Interview with Jurek

http://www.eliterunning.com:80/features/54/




22 Feb 2007 16:59:20
D Stumpus
Re: Interview with Jurek

Thanks Doug, an interesting read. Interesting how this 2:38 guy beats 2:1x
guys on the trails...

After reading that, I decided to Google Salazar, breaker of Derek Clayton's
12 year-old marathon WR, who came out of retirement to win the Comrades 90k
race.

Here's an interesting tale of what happened to two of America's best
marathoners, Salazar and Beardsley...

http://runningtimes.com/rt/articles/?id=5344

Are American world-class runners accident prone?? Liquori missed the
olympics after stepping in a hole on the links, and Craig Virgin was nearly
killed recently in a head-on.

-- Dan



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22 Feb 2007 17:57:36
Charlie Pendejo
Re: Interview with Jurek

Dan wrote:
> Thanks Doug, an interesting read.

Yes it was. Thanks Doug.


> Here's an interesting tale of what happened to two of America's best
> marathoners, Salazar and Beardsley...
>
> http://runningtimes.com/rt/articles/?id=5344
>
> Are American world-class runners accident prone?? Liquori missed the
> olympics after stepping in a hole on the links, and Craig Virgin was
> nearly killed recently in a head-on.

And of course most famously of all, there's Prefontaine's untimely
end. And I recently read - though not sure how authoritative this
account was - that Lindgren also stepped in a hole on a training run a
few days before the 1964 Olympic 10,000m, which is why he was so far
behind Mills & co.



23 Feb 2007 02:28:18
I2Run
Re: Interview with Jurek


"Doug Freese" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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| http://www.eliterunning.com:80/features/54/
|

Thanks for the link.
There was also a pretty good article in Nov/Dec 06 issue of
Marathon and Beyond, covering diet, first place finishes back to back
in WS and Badwater in 05 and lot more.




23 Feb 2007 07:28:29
Doug Freese
Re: Interview with Jurek


"D Stumpus" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> Thanks Doug, an interesting read. Interesting how this 2:38 guy beats
> 2:1x guys on the trails...

I liked is response. " However, ultramarathons have a major fatigue
factor. I have [to compete against] the 2:17 and 2:18 marathoners like
Rich Hanna and others who have a lot more speed when it comes to the
marathon and the road stuff. But when you get out on the trails and you
have the elements of the downhills and heat, [those] will a lot times
hit a lot of the faster guys a lot harder. "

O think raw speed will help in a 50k or 50 mile but once you get to the
100 or beyond, the field levels off. And as we know Rich Hanna, for
example, is one skilled ultra guy. Sometimes I wonder if raw speed can
be a curse.

>
> After reading that, I decided to Google Salazar, breaker of Derek
> Clayton's 12 year-old marathon WR, who came out of retirement to win
> the Comrades 90k race.
>
> Here's an interesting tale of what happened to two of America's best
> marathoners, Salazar and Beardsley...
>
> http://runningtimes.com/rt/articles/?id=5344

I like Scott Douglas' writing style. Back when John L. Parker(Once a
Runner) was editor and Scott was also there, the quality of RT pieces
soared in my opinion but sad to say when they got away from the 099
pablum, the subscriptions went down and so did Parker and in came Gordon
Bakoulis and brought back the yawn. ;)

-Doug





23 Feb 2007 08:58:44
Miss Anne Thrope
Re: Interview with Jurek

"Scott Juric, 33, is arguably one of the best ultramarathoners in
the..."

It was at this point in the article that I fell asleep and hit my head
on the corner of the coffee table.



23 Feb 2007 07:01:40
Daniel
Re: Interview with Jurek

On 22 Feb 2007 17:57:36 -0800, "Charlie Pendejo"
<[email protected] > wrote:

>. . .
>> http://runningtimes.com/rt/articles/?id=5344
>>
>> Are American world-class runners accident prone?? Liquori missed the
>> olympics after stepping in a hole . . .

Yes. Well. Are you talking to me? Oh, "world class." Never Mind.
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23 Feb 2007 15:02:26
Tony S.
Re: Interview with Jurek

"Doug Freese" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> http://www.eliterunning.com:80/features/54/

Yes, interesting, thanks.

"During the Spartathlon, they don't allow pacers so I ran that whole race
without a pacer". I'm not sure if they allow pacers in track events like the
24 hour, but on trails it makes sense, else someone could stagger off into
the bushes or off a cliff and die ;) Of course I had an unofficial pacer in
a 50 miler, and that was great.

"I think it hurts the elite athletes, if we can call ourselves that, or the
top ultramarathoners. We are working our butts off and a lot of us are
struggling to pay the bills while training like professional athletes and at
the same time there's someone who's getting a lot of press for not turning
out results, but rather stunts. It's a little unnerving". It would have been
interesting to try to draw him out a bit on what he would call a stunt, but
I'm sure he wouldn't go there.

He seems like a very down-to-earth guy to me.

-Tony




23 Feb 2007 15:11:29
Elflord
Re: Interview with Jurek

On 2007-02-23, Tony S. <[email protected] > wrote:
> "I think it hurts the elite athletes, if we can call ourselves that, or the
> top ultramarathoners. We are working our butts off and a lot of us are
> struggling to pay the bills while training like professional athletes and at
> the same time there's someone who's getting a lot of press for not turning
> out results, but rather stunts. It's a little unnerving". It would have been
> interesting to try to draw him out a bit on what he would call a stunt, but
> I'm sure he wouldn't go there.

Not really necessary. Anyone who's paying the slightest bit of attention knows
what/who he's talking about, right ?

Cheers,
--
Elflord


23 Feb 2007 16:13:08
Ken
Re: Interview with Jurek

In article <[email protected] >, Tony S. <[email protected]>
writes
>"Doug Freese" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> http://www.eliterunning.com:80/features/54/
>
>Yes, interesting, thanks.
>
>"During the Spartathlon, they don't allow pacers so I ran that whole race
>without a pacer". I'm not sure if they allow pacers in track events like the
>24 hour,

I should hope not. They would confuse the lap counters and interfere
with the runners. It's bad enough having to deal with runners without
having passengers on the track. And any stationary support should be on
the outside, never on the inside.

>but on trails it makes sense, else someone could stagger off into
>the bushes or off a cliff and die ;)

I can't quite see how a pacer would prevent it though I s'pose he might
be able to perform extreme unction or whatever.

I'm sure Scotty's reason for having pacers was not to stop him falling
off a cliff.

> Of course I had an unofficial pacer in
>a 50 miler, and that was great.

But was it within the rules?
>
>"I think it hurts the elite athletes, if we can call ourselves that, or the
>top ultramarathoners. We are working our butts off and a lot of us are
>struggling to pay the bills while training like professional athletes and at
>the same time there's someone who's getting a lot of press for not turning
>out results, but rather stunts. It's a little unnerving". It would have been
>interesting to try to draw him out a bit on what he would call a stunt, but
>I'm sure he wouldn't go there.
>
Presumably any non-performance related achievement, and our old friend
Sir Fartalot would probably include series winning even if Scotty
doesn't.

>He seems like a very down-to-earth guy to me.
>
>-Tony
>
>

--
Ken


23 Feb 2007 17:56:59
Tony S.
Re: Interview with Jurek

"Ken" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> In article <[email protected]>, Tony S. <[email protected]>
> writes
>>"Doug Freese" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]
>>> http://www.eliterunning.com:80/features/54/
>>
>>Yes, interesting, thanks.
>>
>>"During the Spartathlon, they don't allow pacers so I ran that whole race
>>without a pacer". I'm not sure if they allow pacers in track events like
>>the
>>24 hour,
>
> I should hope not. They would confuse the lap counters and interfere with
> the runners. It's bad enough having to deal with runners without having
> passengers on the track. And any stationary support should be on the
> outside, never on the inside.
>
>>but on trails it makes sense, else someone could stagger off into
>>the bushes or off a cliff and die ;)
>
> I can't quite see how a pacer would prevent it though I s'pose he might be
> able to perform extreme unction or whatever.
>
> I'm sure Scotty's reason for having pacers was not to stop him falling off
> a cliff.

His reason, I'm sure, was that using a pacer in a 100 mile trail race is a
bit of a tradition for safety reasons, and is within the rules, so why not
take advantage of it?

>> Of course I had an unofficial pacer in
>>a 50 miler, and that was great.
>
> But was it within the rules?

Well, yes, because he was a fellow competitor, albeit in a higher age group,
none other than r.r's Doug. As it happened we were well matched that day,
him coming off a somewhat injury reduced season, and me in better shape than
the previous year. Still he paced me more than I him in the last 10 miles,
and I suffered more aftereffects for my effort.

>>"I think it hurts the elite athletes, if we can call ourselves that, or
>>the
>>top ultramarathoners. We are working our butts off and a lot of us are
>>struggling to pay the bills while training like professional athletes and
>>at
>>the same time there's someone who's getting a lot of press for not turning
>>out results, but rather stunts. It's a little unnerving". It would have
>>been
>>interesting to try to draw him out a bit on what he would call a stunt,
>>but
>>I'm sure he wouldn't go there.
>>
> Presumably any non-performance related achievement, and our old friend Sir
> Fartalot would probably include series winning even if Scotty doesn't.

The article seems to suggest he's talking about the likes of Dean K. and Pam
Reed, at least in part. I wonder what he would make of the across the Sahara
run.

-Tony

>>He seems like a very down-to-earth guy to me.
>>
>>-Tony
>
> --
> Ken




23 Feb 2007 21:57:15
Doug Freese
Re: Interview with Jurek


"Ken" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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>>but on trails it makes sense, else someone could stagger off into
>>the bushes or off a cliff and die ;)
>
> I can't quite see how a pacer would prevent it though I s'pose he
> might be able to perform extreme unction or whatever.

Now Ken you have been around the running community for bunches of years.
The reason that RD's allow pacers is primarily for safety.
Hallucination and worse are very common in the later stages of races and
pacers are very important.

> I'm sure Scotty's reason for having pacers was not to stop him falling
> off a cliff.

In his case you are likely correct but they are allowed.

-Doug







24 Feb 2007 05:57:53
Doug Freese
Re: Interview with Jurek


"Tony S." <[email protected] > wrote in message
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it within the rules?
>
> Well, yes, because he was a fellow competitor, albeit in a higher age
> group, none other than r.r's Doug. As it happened we were well matched
> that day, him coming off a somewhat injury reduced season, and me in
> better shape than the previous year. Still he paced me more than I him
> in the last 10 miles, and I suffered more aftereffects for my effort.

What pacing? we just happened to be going to the same place at the same
time with the same pace. If we didn't run together it would have been a
lonely last 10 miles.

Speaking of the VT50, I finally made contact with Heidi. She had some
ITB problems about mile 30 and had to do more walking then she wanted.
She also saw the error of ways and added some serious hiking to her
training. She is recovered enough to try Wapak which I understand is
very hilly with shitty footing.

She is going back to Vermont in Sept. Here is your chance to do a 50k
and check it out. I never asked if she was married. this may be your
chance. ;)

-Doug






24 Feb 2007 15:57:02
Tony S.
Re: Interview with Jurek

"Doug Freese" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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>
> "Tony S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> it within the rules?
>>
>> Well, yes, because he was a fellow competitor, albeit in a higher age
>> group, none other than r.r's Doug. As it happened we were well matched
>> that day, him coming off a somewhat injury reduced season, and me in
>> better shape than the previous year. Still he paced me more than I him in
>> the last 10 miles, and I suffered more aftereffects for my effort.
>
> What pacing? we just happened to be going to the same place at the same
> time with the same pace. If we didn't run together it would have been a
> lonely last 10 miles.

Yup it would have been lonely, even though we saw a fair number of others -
showing them our heels!

> Speaking of the VT50, I finally made contact with Heidi. She had some ITB
> problems about mile 30 and had to do more walking then she wanted. She
> also saw the error of ways and added some serious hiking to her training.
> She is recovered enough to try Wapak which I understand is very hilly with
> shitty footing.

I love those gnarly trails, but not for 50 miles!

> She is going back to Vermont in Sept. Here is your chance to do a 50k and
> check it out. I never asked if she was married. this may be your chance.
> ;)

Heidi is doing the 50k? That might make it more interesting. The 50k is
possible for me this year, though not probable. However, I will be back
someday to do the 50k there.

-Tony

> -Doug
>
>
>
>




24 Feb 2007 16:01:51
Ken
Re: Interview with Jurek

In article <[email protected] >, Doug Freese
<[email protected] > writes
>
>"Ken" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>>>but on trails it makes sense, else someone could stagger off into
>>>the bushes or off a cliff and die ;)
>>
>> I can't quite see how a pacer would prevent it though I s'pose he
>> might be able to perform extreme unction or whatever.
>
>Now Ken you have been around the running community for bunches of years.
>The reason that RD's allow pacers is primarily for safety.
>Hallucination and worse are very common in the later stages of races and
>pacers are very important.
>
>> I'm sure Scotty's reason for having pacers was not to stop him falling
>> off a cliff.
>
>In his case you are likely correct but they are allowed.
>
>-Doug
>
>
>
>
>
My post was not intended to be construed as an opinion on the merits of
pacing on trail races, nor as a representation of the rules.

Following Tony's further post, I now understand that what he called
"unofficial pacing" was no more than grouping, which doesn't raise any
issues. Your own further post confirms this as grouping.

As you are well aware some race organisers require pacers to wear
numbers and Tony's reference to "unofficial pacing" was capable of being
interpreted to mean pacing without a number on a race where pacer
numbers are required. Hence my query as to whether it was legal.

I hope this clarifies matters.


--
Ken


24 Feb 2007 14:54:21
Doug Freese
Re: Interview with Jurek


"Tony S." <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> Heidi is doing the 50k? That might make it more interesting. The 50k
> is possible for me this year, though not probable. However, I will be
> back someday to do the 50k there.

I thought the 50k might induce you since you have sworn off 50 miles at
least for a while. Just trying to get you in the same area. She will be
doing the 50 miles.



-DF