29 Jul 2005 12:56:28
cabry
2 cups and an axle First video

This is the first of many videos to come by 2 cups and an axle. It
consists of Chris (diaboloist + juggler), Marc (diaboloist) and Zack
(diaboloist) who have been diaboloing for 7 months and Josh (juggler) who
has been juggling for just over a year. We are all 14 and are two sets of
twins that go to Hullabaloo in Leeds. Please don’t hesitate to post
your view about our first video and tell us how we could improve it. It
took us just under one hour to make the video including editing. (Links
below)
http://rapidshare.de/files/3439652/twocupsandanaxle1.divx.html
http://myweb.dal.ca/sn516781/twocupsandanaxle1.avi

_________________
Two Cups and an Axle!!!
Marc Cabry(me), Chris Cabry, Zack Turner and Josh Turner

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29 Jul 2005 13:26:34
Colin E.
Re: 2 cups and an axle First video

Hi,

Very nice first video. I really liked the hand-grind, the crazy hyperloops
and the hyperloop inside an eye at the end.

Here are a few tips ....

- Cut down the repetition a little bit. You didn;t really have enough
material for a 5 minute video.
- Find yourself somewhere more interesting to film your videos, your front
room really doesn't add much to the video!

For a few ideas, why not have a look at Tiffty's video:

http://www.jugglingdb.com/videos/index.php?uid=13P4N35-0652Q27O86-2

He makes excellent use of the old and new buldings that you find in and
around Leeds. Get out there and find yourself some interesting back drops!

An otherwise great first video.

Colin E.

P.S. How about filling out the video details in the IJDb video database:
http://www.jugglingdb.com/videos/index.php?uid=23N40P8-5QR3QON619-2

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29 Jul 2005 13:34:02
shadow link
Re: 2 cups and an axle First video

cabry wrote:
> This is the first of many videos to come by 2 cups and an axle. It
> consists of Chris (diaboloist + juggler), Marc (diaboloist) and Zack
> (diaboloist) who have been diaboloing for 7 months and Josh (juggler) who
> has been juggling for just over a year. We are all 14 and are two sets of
> twins that go to Hullabaloo in Leeds. Please donít hesitate to post
> your view about our first video and tell us how we could improve it. It
> took us just under one hour to make the video including editing. (Links
> below)
> http://rapidshare.de/files/3439652/twocupsandanaxle1.divx.html
> http://myweb.dal.ca/sn516781/twocupsandanaxle1.avi
>
> _________________
> Two Cups and an Axle!!!
> Marc Cabry(me), Chris Cabry, Zack Turner and Josh Turner
>
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That's some nice stuff...14?? Keep at it.

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29 Jul 2005 18:57:47
Rory Parle
Re: 2 cups and an axle First video

cabry wrote:
> This is the first of many videos to come by 2 cups and an axle. It
> consists of Chris (diaboloist + juggler), Marc (diaboloist) and Zack
> (diaboloist) who have been diaboloing for 7 months and Josh (juggler) who
> has been juggling for just over a year. We are all 14 and are two sets of
> twins that go to Hullabaloo in Leeds. Please don't hesitate to post
> your view about our first video and tell us how we could improve it. It
> took us just under one hour to make the video including editing. (Links
> below)
> http://rapidshare.de/files/3439652/twocupsandanaxle1.divx.html
> http://myweb.dal.ca/sn516781/twocupsandanaxle1.avi

I don't know how much work usually goes into making a video but that
strikes me as very good for one hour's work. Two nits to pick:
'Starring' has two 'r's. Also, you should change the backing track
during a change in shot. It's much too noticeable when the music changes
and the shot stays the same.

More importantly, I think that being indoors detracts from the video.
Changes of location are good for variety's sake and being outdoors also
allows you more freedom in what you can perform. Obviously you already
know this because you noted it in the end. I look forward to seeing what
you can produce when the weather is on your side (or at least neutral).

Did you choose that Foo Fighters track because it mentions an hourglass
and you were diaboloing?

Finally, can I ask what kind of camera you used? I'm considering getting
a video camera, but I'm not motivated enough to do my own research so
I'm just asking people when I see good quality videos. If that sounds
lazy then, well, it is.

--
Rory Parle
http://www.soylentred.net/


29 Jul 2005 18:57:37
chris_cabry
Re: 2 cups and an axle First video

Rory Parle wrote:

> Finally, can I ask what kind of camera you used? I'm considering getting
> a video camera, but I'm not motivated enough to do my own research so
> I'm just asking people when I see good quality videos. If that sounds
> lazy then, well, it is.
>
> --
> Rory Parle
> http://www.soylentred.net/

Yes, we used a Sony digital video recorder DCR-TRV270E PAL it records in
'Digital 8'
Hope this is usefull!!
Chris Cabry
two cups and an axle

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29 Jul 2005 21:22:46
janik
Re: 2 cups and an axle First video

Rory Parle wrote:
> cabry wrote:
> > Please don't hesitate to post
> > your view about our first video and tell us how we could improve it. It
> > took us just under one hour to make the video including editing.
>
> I don't know how much work usually goes into making a video but that
> strikes me as very good for one hour's work.

OK, I'll air an opinion right here.

I _really_ dislike disclaimers like "sorry, this is a bit crap
because...". OK, so that's not exactly what the original poster said and
the video was pretty good, but if you know it could be better and you know
that tens/hundreds of people are going to watch it, why not bother to
spend that other hour or whatever on getting things better?

I liked the tricks, even though I am not a diabolist myself, but the
filming could have easily been better.

jani

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30 Jul 2005 11:54:05
Rory Parle
Re: 2 cups and an axle First video

chris_cabry wrote:
> Rory Parle wrote:
>
>>Finally, can I ask what kind of camera you used? I'm considering getting
>>a video camera, but I'm not motivated enough to do my own research so
>>I'm just asking people when I see good quality videos. If that sounds
>>lazy then, well, it is.
>
> Yes, we used a Sony digital video recorder DCR-TRV270E PAL it records in
> 'Digital 8'
> Hope this is usefull!!

Thanks Chris.

--
Rory Parle


30 Jul 2005 12:03:09
Rory Parle
Re: 2 cups and an axle First video

janik wrote:

> OK, I'll air an opinion right here.
>
> I _really_ dislike disclaimers like "sorry, this is a bit crap
> because...". OK, so that's not exactly what the original poster said and
> the video was pretty good, but if you know it could be better and you know
> that tens/hundreds of people are going to watch it, why not bother to
> spend that other hour or whatever on getting things better?

That's a fair point, but I'd only apply it to a video that's not worth
watching. In that case you should either make it better or not show it
to anyone. But in the case where a video is worth the time it takes to
watch it and the makers don't have time to improve upon it then it
should be released, even if it's not as good as it could be.

Personally I'd be inclined to spend an awful lot longer than an hour
making a video. I'd plan the structure; find the best locations and
music; film things enough times to let me choose the best bits in
editing, including different angles and other variations. Then I'd
probably make more than one cut of the video and get friends and family
to criticise them. I'd take their suggestions on-board and re-edit. At
that point the video would still probably be crap.

--
Rory Parle
http://www.soyentred.net/


30 Jul 2005 11:32:11
jugglingeek
Re: 2 cups and an axle First video

Ok I liked the video. Better than I was expecting, but there were still a
few things that you did wrong
(and some that you did right obviously)


Nice title sequence. It can be really tempting when using video editing
softwear that has flashy things
like that to try to crowbar them in somehow. But that worked. Prehaps you
should have a quick trick
by the juggler before after or durring their name been on screen so that
we can identify them

Using cross-disolves can be a bad idea when making a high energy video
(you had some up-beat emo
punk playing so I'm guessing that you were going for MTV style) In
juggling videos especialy they can
make it look like you might have cocked up the ending and so faded out
rather than cut (like in the 7
ball run). Definate cuts at strong pulses of the music work great. Usualy
on the first beat of a bar.
Bonus points if a stop part of the trick lands on the beat.

for example a quite intro to a song while doing 2 diablolo then a
rocket-wrap transfer into S-fan just
as the whole band kicks in. Look at the 3up 4up in Tiffty #1 for a sound
example.

Use a tri-pod as much as possible. However thee 6 ball clip looked good.
Had the feel of catching a
rare moment of his juggling almost by acident.

As a rule don't cut or disolve to the same shot. So if you have some shots
outside, some in your room
and some in the living room try to alternate between the three.

An a juggling note: 4 ball tenis looks miles better done with the site
swap 53444 as opposed to 55244

If you use two songs in the same video let the first one play out to a
finish. Check out Thomas #6 for
an exelent example of how to use two songs in a video

Get to the point in a shot. The 2 diabolo suns over and over didn't need
all that set up. You could have
put another trick in there

The compression was superb. Use that same compression setting for any more
videos you do. I could
see everything that happened and you kept it in the native frame rate,
good job.

Jugglingeek

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30 Jul 2005 12:10:07
Marden117
Re: 2 cups and an axle First video

I don't know why but when you mentioned that you're two pairs of twins the
siteswap (2x,2x) sprang to mind.

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01 Aug 2005 10:11:56
Little Paul
How long does it take to make a video? (was Re: 2 cups and an axle First video)

On 2005-07-30, Rory Parle <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> Personally I'd be inclined to spend an awful lot longer than an hour
> making a video.
> I'd plan the structure; find the best locations and
> music; film things enough times to let me choose the best bits in
> editing, including different angles and other variations.

Largely I agree, but I'm impressed at what was achieved in such a short
time.

Although it's odd how once you start thinking like this, it takes
forever to make any sort of video at all. A couple of weeks back
someone asked me what I meant by "thumb spins" with clubs so I
said I'd make them a video to illustrate my point. It took me over
an hour to shoot/edit this 20 second video (faffing about trying to
correct the poor lighting that i get indoors in my house in the evenings
etc)

Anyway, this thread has started me thinking.

We haven't had a "video challenge" in a while, would people be up
for a "time restricted" video challenge? These are quite popular
in the short film world, and work largely as follows.

At a specific time on a specific day, the challenge organisers advertise
the theme/title of the challenge. Those taking part then have 24 hours
to shoot and edit the video and return with a finished result.

Is anyone up for having a crack at something like this, with a much
easier subject matter than previous video challenges (eg "three objects"
rather than "traces of plagiarism") and something like a 24 hour
timescale?

We might have to make some changes based on how such a challenge could
be run within the r.j community, to take account of things like not
everyone will be reading r.j at the same time (or even in the same
timezone :-) is it better to try for a weekend or a weekday? Could the
IJDb chatroom be useful when firing the "starting pistol"?

Anyway, does anyone have any thoughts? Would anyone actually be up for
entering?

-Paul


01 Aug 2005 14:29:48
Little Paul
Re: How long does it take to make a video? (was Re: 2 cups and an axle First video)

On 2005-08-01, Colin E. <[email protected] > wrote:

> Perhaps it woulf be better to launch the challenge on a Friday and give
> people the whole weekend rather than just 24 hrs.

I did think about that, but I'm not sure about it for a couple of
reasons. Partly because it'd be well over 48 hours and if you've got
all weekend to do it you can put it off until sunday and then not quite
get around to it ;-) but partly also because I know a number of people
read r.j at work and therefore can't read it over the weekend.

Mind you, I can't see anyone being too strict over the timings anyway :-)

> I guess the theme of the
> video would have to be kept secret until the launch day otherwise people
> could start their videos early. Maybe people could posts suggestions to
> rec.juggling, and you select one and announce it on the launch day?

That's pretty much what I was thinking, perhaps something similar to what
happened for the first video challenge. People post sugestions, that
gets whittled down to a shortlist which gets voted on.

OK, so people would get hints in advance, but if the voting period is
short enough i don't see it as a problem. There is a possibility that
when presented with 3 options to vote on some people could dash off and
make 3 videos - but I don't think that would be a bad thing anyway :-)

> If you choose a simple theme like "3 objects", isn't there a chance that
> peole will just re-cycle some old footage? Maybe the video should include
> a shot of the front-page of a national newspaper ;-)

Arf! Yes!

Someone else sugested (offlist) that the theme being voted on should be
vague, but the initial instruction given out should include a twist, eg
an object that must be used. Eg everyone votes for "three objects" but
the final instruction is something like "three objects, but you must
feature a bridge somewhere"

any more thoughts anyone?

-Paul


02 Aug 2005 13:57:21
Little Paul
Re: How long does it take to make a video? (was Re

On 2005-08-02, markish <[email protected] > wrote:
>
> I like the idea of the short time limit - both on making the film and also
> on it's length. What if you announce the theme thursday at midnight and
> close entries midday sunday. 60 hours total, people get to read about it
> on friday (spending an agonising day waiting for home time :) and get a
> weekend day and a bit (depending on time zone) to work on it.

I think 60 hours is far too long! Just from the way that other
challenges have happened, the more time you give people, the more people
leave it to the last minute and then don't bother.

How about, we announce it Thursday morning (uk time) and submissions are
back by Friday night (uk time) - voting on the winner can then start
over the weekend and continue for a week or so.

That gives everyone a full waking day (more or less) to film and edit
something, regardless of their timezone. Which is short enough to focus
the mind, but long enough to crank something out.

If we advertise the dates wideley enough in advance, people can set
aside an evening to do it and we minimise procrastination. How does
that sound? I guess we won't know until we try it :-)

> Someone suggested adding the twist to the agreed subject to avoid people
> reusing old footage - good thought! What about having to wear something
> identifiable - eg a hat, arm band, particular colour, etc.

I like that! I hadn't thought about clothing, that's probably one of
the easier "special requests" - certainly better than a specific type of
location, or specific object. Hmm.

> I like the idea of different categories - best film is the primary one,
> but also you could have "best individual trick", "best editing", "best
> music", etc...

I was thinking that the voting would work like it did for the first
"WJVF" challenge, ie people vote for their top 3 favourites and then we
do some mangling of that to work out which was favourite overall.

Categories would be nice, but I can't see an easy way to make the voting
work :-/

> Random thoughts need their own thread :)

Heh! Yes. Perhaps if we wait long enough someone will start one.

-Paul