27 Nov 2004 12:35:58
alvey
Langer > MEW

According to the ABC comms yesterday Justin Langer has a higher s/r in
Test cricket than MEW. Did someone say "over-rated"?





alvey


27 Nov 2004 13:44:54
Will S
Re: Langer > MEW


"alvey" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> According to the ABC comms yesterday Justin Langer has a higher s/r in
> Test cricket than MEW. Did someone say "over-rated"?
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> alvey

and a better average

But of all the Aussie teams of the last 20 years Langer would be the player
I liked least to watch bat




27 Nov 2004 14:47:03
alvey
Re: Langer > MEW

Will S wrote:
> "alvey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
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>>According to the ABC comms yesterday Justin Langer has a higher s/r in
>>Test cricket than MEW. Did someone say "over-rated"?
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>>alvey
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> and a better average
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> But of all the Aussie teams of the last 20 years Langer would be the player
> I liked least to watch bat
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Geoff Marsh?


27 Nov 2004 16:00:40
Mark Shea
Re: Langer > MEW


"Will S" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> "alvey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> According to the ABC comms yesterday Justin Langer has a higher s/r in
>> Test cricket than MEW. Did someone say "over-rated"?
>
> and a better average
>
> But of all the Aussie teams of the last 20 years Langer would be the
> player I liked least to watch bat

Taylor? I found him pretty repugnant. I really disliked Ponting for ages.
Healy?

Mark Shea



27 Nov 2004 20:48:47
Kieran Dyke
Re: Langer > MEW


"Will S" <[email protected] > wrote in message
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> "alvey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > According to the ABC comms yesterday Justin Langer has a higher s/r in
> > Test cricket than MEW. Did someone say "over-rated"?
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> > alvey
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> and a better average
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> But of all the Aussie teams of the last 20 years Langer would be the
player
> I liked least to watch bat
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Except for that recent innings, McGrath is the one I least like to watch
bat. For one thing, it means we're 9-for.

Kieran




27 Nov 2004 02:07:35
Re: Langer > MEW


alvey wrote:
> According to the ABC comms yesterday Justin Langer has a higher s/r
in
> Test cricket than MEW. Did someone say "over-rated"?

Langer has been an amazingly effective opener (consistently making big
scores) in an era where there are few consistent openers. For such an
accomplished player though, his style is very ugly. Combine that with
his smirks and scowls and a refusal to go quietly on being dismissed,
make him hard to like as a player. He has my grudging admiration, but I
don't like his style of play. He has definitely been a more effective
batsman for Australia than Mark Waugh was, atleast most of the time.

Mark Waugh was ofcourse a far better fielder (Langer is no slouch
though, grabbing many a tough chance at forward short leg) and a useful
bowler in odos.

Was Mark Waugh over-rated?. Maybe. But I don't think anyone ever said
he was the best player in the world at any stage of his career. But I'd
pay to watch Mark Waugh anyday over Langer, as I suspect most rscers
would.

> alvey

Rajagopal



27 Nov 2004 07:27:01
Meursault
Re: Langer > MEW

Not necessarily disputing that Langer > MEW, but Langer has played
more in a high scoring period in world cricket. What are their
respective performances in matches they've both played together?


alvey <[email protected] > wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> According to the ABC comms yesterday Justin Langer has a higher s/r in
> Test cricket than MEW. Did someone say "over-rated"?
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> alvey


28 Nov 2004 05:35:32
alvey
Re: Langer > MEW

Meursault wrote:
> Not necessarily disputing that Langer > MEW, but Langer has played
> more in a high scoring period in world cricket. What are their
> respective performances in matches they've both played together?
>

Dunno. But before some keen statsrat goes off checking that question,
how about you provide some backing for your statement re "...high
scoring period..."?

And if one was to accept your assertion, then one could muse that
Langer's period is a "higher scoring period" precisely because MEW
(Over-rated the Younger) isn't in it.





alvey
in briz, having a chuckle recalling the predictions about how badly we
were going to miss the Over-rated twins.


27 Nov 2004 21:40:58
RodP
Re: Langer > MEW

In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] says...

> Was Mark Waugh over-rated?. Maybe. But I don't think anyone ever said
> he was the best player in the world at any stage of his career. But I'd
> pay to watch Mark Waugh anyday over Langer, as I suspect most rscers
> would.

I would agree. His strokeplay was graceful and his movement and timing
seemed effortless to the point where he looked like he wasn't even
trying. A lazy looking coverdrive which was nothing more than a wave of
the bat would dissect the cover field perfectly and rocket for 4.

I also used to enjoy watching Gower (provided that he didn't score too
many) as he also exhibited the same traits but didn't look as
comfortable or relaxed in his stance at the crease as MEW.

My favorites would be Viv when he was in the process of tearing an
attack apart. Or now, Jayasuria at the beginning of an ODI.

Langer's start on D1 was magnificent, throwing the bat at a late swining
ball and punching several 4's to the fence within the first 3 overs.
After that he settled down and yes, became rather ugly to watch, but I
certainly won't argue with the result.

Cheers,
Rod.


28 Nov 2004 11:15:54
Meursault
Re: Langer > MEW

alvey <[email protected] > wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Dunno. But before some keen statsrat goes off checking that question,
> how about you provide some backing for your statement re "...high
> scoring period..."?

Can't be bothered doing detailed statistical analyses. I'm basing my
statement on the fact that test match pitches have in general "looked"
flatter in the last 3-4 years. Besides every team seems to have a
batsman or three averaging in the 50's, which used to be a benchmark
for a "great" batsman in decades gone by. My guess is opening bats
like Hayden or Sehwag would'nt ahve been as succesful in the 80's and
90's with teh approach they employ. Perhaps someone could post
average runs/wicket for every year since the 1975.

-Meursault


05 Dec 2004 13:38:56
Mad Hamish
Re: Langer > MEW

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 21:40:58 GMT, RodP <[email protected] >
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>
>> Was Mark Waugh over-rated?. Maybe. But I don't think anyone ever said
>> he was the best player in the world at any stage of his career. But I'd
>> pay to watch Mark Waugh anyday over Langer, as I suspect most rscers
>> would.
>
>I would agree. His strokeplay was graceful and his movement and timing
>seemed effortless to the point where he looked like he wasn't even
>trying. A lazy looking coverdrive which was nothing more than a wave of
>the bat would dissect the cover field perfectly and rocket for 4.

In terms of showing how much the bat did matter there I refer you to a
couple of leading edges for 4 in his last couple of years.

Also particularly stylish was his playing of bouncers after he stopped
hooking. Damned lucky boy that helmets were around.