27 Oct 2005 11:19:55
**MattO**
Bracken in for Hodge

Source: http://www.cricket.com.au

Bracken in for Hodge

New South Wales left-arm quick Nathan Bracken has been included in a
12-man Test squad to take on the West Indies in the first 3-Mobile Test
match at the Gabba beginning next Thursday.

Bracken replaces Brad Hodge in the only change to the Australian squad
which took part in the Johnnie Walker Super Test against the ICC World
XI earlier this month.

Leg spinner Stuart MacGill retains his spot in the 12, giving the
selectors the option of having MacGill work in tandem with Shane Warne.

Bracken, 28, has played three Tests, the last of which was against India
at the Sydney Cricket Ground in January 2004.

The chairman of the National Selection Panel, Trevor Hohns said the
selectors believed that in Brisbane it was prudent to introduce another
paceman to the squad in place of an extra batsman.

"That’s no reflection on Brad Hodge, but in this instance we felt for
the purposes of flexibility in the attack, Nathan Bracken would provide
us with another bowling option depending on the conditions that might
prevail at the ‘Gabba.

"Obviously since the end of the Super Test in Sydney, there has been a
lot of speculation about the option of playing the two spinners in this
match against the West Indies.

"With both Shane Warne and Stuart MacGill in the squad we still have
that option, and will assess it closer to time, once we can study the
conditions in greater detail."

The Australian squad: Ricky Ponting [c], Adam Gilchrist [vc], Nathan
Bracken, Michael Clarke, Matthew Hayden, Simon Katich, Justin Langer,
Brett Lee, Stuart MacGill, Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Shane Watson.


27 Oct 2005 12:10:40
Will S
Re: Bracken in for Hodge

yuk



"**MattO**" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> Source: http://www.cricket.com.au
>
> Bracken in for Hodge
>
> New South Wales left-arm quick Nathan Bracken has been included in a
> 12-man Test squad to take on the West Indies in the first 3-Mobile Test
> match at the Gabba beginning next Thursday.
>
> Bracken replaces Brad Hodge in the only change to the Australian squad
> which took part in the Johnnie Walker Super Test against the ICC World XI
> earlier this month.
>
> Leg spinner Stuart MacGill retains his spot in the 12, giving the
> selectors the option of having MacGill work in tandem with Shane Warne.
>
> Bracken, 28, has played three Tests, the last of which was against India
> at the Sydney Cricket Ground in January 2004.
>
> The chairman of the National Selection Panel, Trevor Hohns said the
> selectors believed that in Brisbane it was prudent to introduce another
> paceman to the squad in place of an extra batsman.
>
> "That’s no reflection on Brad Hodge, but in this instance we felt for the
> purposes of flexibility in the attack, Nathan Bracken would provide us
> with another bowling option depending on the conditions that might prevail
> at the ‘Gabba.
>
> "Obviously since the end of the Super Test in Sydney, there has been a lot
> of speculation about the option of playing the two spinners in this match
> against the West Indies.
>
> "With both Shane Warne and Stuart MacGill in the squad we still have that
> option, and will assess it closer to time, once we can study the
> conditions in greater detail."
>
> The Australian squad: Ricky Ponting [c], Adam Gilchrist [vc], Nathan
> Bracken, Michael Clarke, Matthew Hayden, Simon Katich, Justin Langer,
> Brett Lee, Stuart MacGill, Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Shane Watson.




27 Oct 2005 13:30:09
Calvin
Re: Bracken in for Hodge



> The Australian squad: Ricky Ponting [c], Adam Gilchrist [vc], Nathan
> Bracken, Michael Clarke, Matthew Hayden, Simon Katich, Justin Langer,
> Brett Lee, Stuart MacGill, Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Shane Watson.

This is a joke.

* Farken is useless
* Hussey has done more than enough to force his way into the team. Katich or
Clarke should have been "squeezed out'.
* There is no point in playing Watson unless we go with two spinners. Ergo,
a 13 man squad is needed!

cheers,
Calvin








27 Oct 2005 14:10:38
**MattO**
Re: Bracken in for Hodge

Calvin wrote:
>>The Australian squad: Ricky Ponting [c], Adam Gilchrist [vc], Nathan
>>Bracken, Michael Clarke, Matthew Hayden, Simon Katich, Justin Langer,
>>Brett Lee, Stuart MacGill, Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Shane Watson.
>
>
> This is a joke.
>
> * Farken is useless
> * Hussey has done more than enough to force his way into the team. Katich or
> Clarke should have been "squeezed out'.
> * There is no point in playing Watson unless we go with two spinners. Ergo,
> a 13 man squad is needed!

I think they have Watson earmarked for the 6-7 positions along with
Gilchrist regardless of whether we play a 3-1 or 2-2 attack. They want
to give Watson more than just the Sydney Tests to develop and grow into
the team.

Watson's state does help his selection :o)


27 Oct 2005 15:26:55
Calvin
Re: Bracken in for Hodge


"**MattO**" <[email protected] > wrote

> I think they have Watson earmarked for the 6-7 positions along with
> Gilchrist regardless of whether we play a 3-1 or 2-2 attack. They want to
> give Watson more than just the Sydney Tests to develop and grow into the
> team.
>
> Watson's state does help his selection :o)

Actually, Watson's hair colour helps his selection. This is the age of
celebrity.

cheers,
Calvin




27 Oct 2005 16:32:22
**MattO**
Re: Bracken in for Hodge

Calvin wrote:
> "**MattO**" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>>I think they have Watson earmarked for the 6-7 positions along with
>>Gilchrist regardless of whether we play a 3-1 or 2-2 attack. They want to
>>give Watson more than just the Sydney Tests to develop and grow into the
>>team.
>>
>>Watson's state does help his selection :o)
>
>
> Actually, Watson's hair colour helps his selection. This is the age of
> celebrity.

I had a look at James Hopes' career record today and how did he win
Australian selection?



27 Oct 2005 17:21:06
David Male
Re: Bracken in for Hodge

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:32:22 +1000, **MattO** <[email protected] >
wrote:

>I had a look at James Hopes' career record today and how did he win
>Australian selection?

I have no doubt that the real question is why others with lesser
prospects have been selected, and in some cases, still are...



27 Oct 2005 17:24:27
Matt van de Werken
Re: Bracken in for Hodge

**MattO** wrote:
> Calvin wrote:
>
>> "**MattO**" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>
>>> I think they have Watson earmarked for the 6-7 positions along with
>>> Gilchrist regardless of whether we play a 3-1 or 2-2 attack. They
>>> want to give Watson more than just the Sydney Tests to develop and
>>> grow into the team.
>>>
>>> Watson's state does help his selection :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, Watson's hair colour helps his selection. This is the age of
>> celebrity.
>
>
> I had a look at James Hopes' career record today and how did he win
> Australian selection?
>

Probably on the back of being last year's ING cup player of the year.

04/05 stats:

Batting: M I NO R HS Ave SR 100 50 ct
JR Hopes 10 10 1 293 73 32.55 95.12 - 2 4

Bowling: M O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ
JR Hopes 10 83.2 5 356 11 32.36 4-36 1 - 45.4 4.27

Cheers,
mvdw


27 Oct 2005 17:38:54
Matt van de Werken
Re: Bracken in for Hodge

Matt van de Werken wrote:
> **MattO** wrote:
>
>> Calvin wrote:
>>
>>> "**MattO**" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think they have Watson earmarked for the 6-7 positions along with
>>>> Gilchrist regardless of whether we play a 3-1 or 2-2 attack. They
>>>> want to give Watson more than just the Sydney Tests to develop and
>>>> grow into the team.
>>>>
>>>> Watson's state does help his selection :o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, Watson's hair colour helps his selection. This is the age
>>> of celebrity.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had a look at James Hopes' career record today and how did he win
>> Australian selection?
>>
>
> Probably on the back of being last year's ING cup player of the year.
>
> 04/05 stats:
>
> Batting: M I NO R HS Ave SR 100 50 ct
> JR Hopes 10 10 1 293 73 32.55 95.12 - 2 4
>
> Bowling: M O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ
> JR Hopes 10 83.2 5 356 11 32.36 4-36 1 - 45.4 4.27
>
> Cheers,
> mvdw

Forgot to mention that Hopes is seen to be exclusively a ODI player,
while I feel that Watson isn't really suited to the form of the game,
unless he can bat at #3 or 4 (in Kallis mode).

Cheers,
mvdw


27 Oct 2005 05:51:35
Mike Holmans
Re: Bracken in for Hodge


Matt van de Werken wrote:
> Mike Holmans wrote:
> > He's developing fast, and if your opinions are based on what he did in
> > the 2004-5 season in Australia, you're already well out of date.
> >
>
> Fair enough. I knew he had a good county season, but I tended to pay
> more attention to the first-class scorecards than the dodo stuff.

I'm not surprised about your focus, because I don't generally pay much
attention to dodos either. But each season there is usually a handful
of players who make enough of an impression in the dodos to cause even
f-c traditionalists to take some notice of people they've not really
seen anything of, of which Watson, Styris, Loudon, Carter and Murtagh
would be the 2005 examples.
>
> Thanks for the heads up Mike.

My pleasure. What a pity Disgusted of Brisbane can't be as gracious.

Cheers,

Mike



28 Oct 2005 04:03:30
Andrew Dunford
Re: Bracken in for Hodge


"Mike Holmans" <[email protected] > wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> Matt van de Werken wrote:
> > Mike Holmans wrote:
> > > He's developing fast, and if your opinions are based on what he did in
> > > the 2004-5 season in Australia, you're already well out of date.
> > >
> >
> > Fair enough. I knew he had a good county season, but I tended to pay
> > more attention to the first-class scorecards than the dodo stuff.
>
> I'm not surprised about your focus, because I don't generally pay much
> attention to dodos either. But each season there is usually a handful
> of players who make enough of an impression in the dodos to cause even
> f-c traditionalists to take some notice of people they've not really
> seen anything of, of which Watson, Styris, Loudon, Carter and Murtagh
> would be the 2005 examples.

Although in the case of Styris, this is presumably because you
understandably don't concentrate on odos not involving England (it being bad
enough watching those in which the team you support participates without
inflicting more on yourself), rather than him just emerging. After all, he
is one of three players ever to score a 50 and take six wickets in the same
odo (not a bad achievement considering that rain restricted each bowler to a
maximum of seven overs).

> > Thanks for the heads up Mike.
>
> My pleasure. What a pity Disgusted of Brisbane can't be as gracious.

Face facts. Until and unless Watson performs well in Sydney grade cricket,
he won't have made it.

Andrew




27 Oct 2005 17:17:10
Mike Holmans
Re: Bracken in for Hodge

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 04:03:30 +1300, "Andrew Dunford"
<[email protected] > tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

>
>"Mike Holmans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]

>> I'm not surprised about your focus, because I don't generally pay much
>> attention to dodos either. But each season there is usually a handful
>> of players who make enough of an impression in the dodos to cause even
>> f-c traditionalists to take some notice of people they've not really
>> seen anything of, of which Watson, Styris, Loudon, Carter and Murtagh
>> would be the 2005 examples.
>
>Although in the case of Styris, this is presumably because you
>understandably don't concentrate on odos not involving England (it being bad
>enough watching those in which the team you support participates without
>inflicting more on yourself), rather than him just emerging. After all, he
>is one of three players ever to score a 50 and take six wickets in the same
>odo (not a bad achievement considering that rain restricted each bowler to a
>maximum of seven overs).

Anyone can have a good day in an odo without it necessarily having
much bearing on his future. Or even several such days if his name is
Agarkar.

The names I picked out were guys whose dodo performances changed the
perceptions of them pretty radically, whether or not they did anything
in the championship.

With Styris, people were expecting a useful player, which is precisely
what they got in his championship games. What no-one was really
expecting was that he would turn in top performances in the dodos
almost every week. It wasn't that he had the odd good game but that he
was *consistently* very good-to-excellent.

With Loudon, it was his using the dodos to try out his Iverson ball
rather than his actual returns which mattered.

And so on. Watson actually did pretty well in the championship too,
but he played relatively few games, and anyway most people had started
the season thinking along the same lines as MattvdW, so his stellar
production in the dodos was almost a shock.

Cheers,

Mike

And so on


28 Oct 2005 04:53:08
alvey
Re: Bracken in for Hodge

On 27 Oct 2005 05:51:35 -0700, Mike Holmans wrote:

snip
>
> My pleasure. What a pity Disgusted of Brisbane can't be as gracious.

"gracious" eh? You mean like this. "It's clear that neither you nor Matt
have been paying attention to Watson's progress."

Perhaps Overbearing, Bombastic and Verbose of London should pull his
fucking head in?


cheers


alvey