19 Jan 2006 20:46:26
Ian Sandell
Mainsail

We need to replace Sea Holly's main and need to decide soon to get
boat show discounts. The (not so) short list is, in not particular
order,

Kemp
Crusader
Jeckells
Arun
Hyde

This will be a cruising cross-cut sail, nothing fancy, possibly fully
battened.

Any comments on the list sailmakers, or on choice of normal or full
length battens?

Ian


20 Jan 2006 00:13:48
Martin
Re: Mainsail

On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:46:26 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk >
wrote:

>We need to replace Sea Holly's main and need to decide soon to get
>boat show discounts. The (not so) short list is, in not particular
>order,
>
>Kemp
>Crusader
>Jeckells
>Arun
>Hyde
>
>This will be a cruising cross-cut sail, nothing fancy, possibly fully
>battened.
>
>Any comments on the list sailmakers, or on choice of normal or full
>length battens?

I'm still very pleased with a Jeckells main I bought 3 or 4 years ago.
It has normal battens.
--
Martin


20 Jan 2006 10:05:25
Tony of Judicious
Re: Mainsail

Ian Sandell wrote:

> We need to replace Sea Holly's main and need to decide soon to get
> boat show discounts. The (not so) short list is, in not particular
> order,
>
> Kemp
> Crusader
> Jeckells
> Arun
> Hyde
>
> This will be a cruising cross-cut sail, nothing fancy, possibly fully
> battened.
>
> Any comments on the list sailmakers, or on choice of normal or full
> length battens?
>
> Ian

I had a rather good main made for J by Flew sails at Portchester
(Wicormarine). Price was reasonable, and he came down to J and had a chat
with me as to what sort of sailing I did, beefed it up at stress points,
etc., put in nice deep reefs. Price wasn't the cheapest, but by no means
the most expensive.


20 Jan 2006 18:48:18
Arturo Ui
Re: Mainsail

> We need to replace Sea Holly's main and need to decide soon to get
> boat show discounts. The (not so) short list is, in not particular
> order,
>
> Kemp
> Crusader
> Jeckells
> Arun
> Hyde
>
> This will be a cruising cross-cut sail, nothing fancy, possibly fully
> battened.
>
> Any comments on the list sailmakers, or on choice of normal or full
> length battens?

I'm very pleased with the Crusader sails on my boat - they have lasted very
well and I'm pleased with the service Crusader gave. I went for
conventional battens but if I wasn't bothered about adherance to class
rules, would have gone for a bigger roach and full battens. (Full battens
reduce sail flogging when not full, increasing the life of the sail)

Artie




24 Jan 2006 19:54:06
Ian Sandell
Re: Mainsail

Thnaks for replies, chap.

I think we will go for fully battened, prolly with sailman slides

Ian

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:48:18 GMT, "Arturo Ui"
<armageddon_now@hotmail.com > wrote:

>> We need to replace Sea Holly's main and need to decide soon to get
>> boat show discounts. The (not so) short list is, in not particular
>> order,
>>
>> Kemp
>> Crusader
>> Jeckells
>> Arun
>> Hyde
>>
>> This will be a cruising cross-cut sail, nothing fancy, possibly fully
>> battened.
>>
>> Any comments on the list sailmakers, or on choice of normal or full
>> length battens?
>
>I'm very pleased with the Crusader sails on my boat - they have lasted very
>well and I'm pleased with the service Crusader gave. I went for
>conventional battens but if I wasn't bothered about adherance to class
>rules, would have gone for a bigger roach and full battens. (Full battens
>reduce sail flogging when not full, increasing the life of the sail)
>
>Artie
>


25 Jan 2006 12:08:44
Martin
Re: Mainsail

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:54:06 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk >
wrote:

>Thnaks for replies, chap.
>
>I think we will go for fully battened, prolly with sailman slides

I've had some success doing a bit of bargaining. I had the feeling
that sail prices aren't fixed.
--
Martin


25 Jan 2006 23:15:24
Ian Sandell
Re: Mainsail

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:44 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net > wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:54:06 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>Thnaks for replies, chap.
>>
>>I think we will go for fully battened, prolly with sailman slides
>
>I've had some success doing a bit of bargaining. I had the feeling
>that sail prices aren't fixed.

I did get a hint of this talking to sailmakers. Some seem willing to
throw in extras, like reefing spectacles or cunningham.

I'll give it a try.

Ian


26 Jan 2006 17:44:18
Martin
Re: Mainsail

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:15:24 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk >
wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:44 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:54:06 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Thnaks for replies, chap.
>>>
>>>I think we will go for fully battened, prolly with sailman slides
>>
>>I've had some success doing a bit of bargaining. I had the feeling
>>that sail prices aren't fixed.
>
>I did get a hint of this talking to sailmakers. Some seem willing to
>throw in extras, like reefing spectacles or cunningham.
>
>I'll give it a try.

The sooner the better, it's maybe a bit late already. I ordered in
November, when they aren't so busy.
--
Martin


26 Jan 2006 23:03:48
Ian Sandell
Re: Mainsail

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:44:18 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net > wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:15:24 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:44 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:54:06 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thnaks for replies, chap.
>>>>
>>>>I think we will go for fully battened, prolly with sailman slides
>>>
>>>I've had some success doing a bit of bargaining. I had the feeling
>>>that sail prices aren't fixed.
>>
>>I did get a hint of this talking to sailmakers. Some seem willing to
>>throw in extras, like reefing spectacles or cunningham.
>>
>>I'll give it a try.
>
>The sooner the better, it's maybe a bit late already. I ordered in
>November, when they aren't so busy.

Maybe although they still seem to be falling over each other to offer
deals.I will know in a couple of days times.

I guess that I am leaning towards Hyde with Jeckells and Crusader
close behind, but not for any real reason except "feeling".

Ian


27 Jan 2006 18:07:55
Martin
Re: Mainsail

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 23:03:48 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk >
wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:44:18 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:15:24 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:44 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:54:06 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Thnaks for replies, chap.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think we will go for fully battened, prolly with sailman slides
>>>>
>>>>I've had some success doing a bit of bargaining. I had the feeling
>>>>that sail prices aren't fixed.
>>>
>>>I did get a hint of this talking to sailmakers. Some seem willing to
>>>throw in extras, like reefing spectacles or cunningham.
>>>
>>>I'll give it a try.
>>
>>The sooner the better, it's maybe a bit late already. I ordered in
>>November, when they aren't so busy.
>
>Maybe although they still seem to be falling over each other to offer
>deals.I will know in a couple of days times.
>
>I guess that I am leaning towards Hyde with Jeckells and Crusader
>close behind, but not for any real reason except "feeling".

I went for Jeckells because

a) The only original sail on my boat that was any good was made by
Jeckells.

b) At the time I needed a new main several people were recommending
Jeckells.

c) I couldn't justify buying a sail from Hood for three or four times
the price, although I am still very happy with a furling genoa I
bought from Hood almost 20 years ago.

I'd buy from Jeckells again.
--
Martin


27 Jan 2006 21:31:41
Ian Sandell
Re: Mainsail

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:44:18 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net > wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:15:24 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:44 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:54:06 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thnaks for replies, chap.
>>>>
>>>>I think we will go for fully battened, prolly with sailman slides
>>>
>>>I've had some success doing a bit of bargaining. I had the feeling
>>>that sail prices aren't fixed.
>>
>>I did get a hint of this talking to sailmakers. Some seem willing to
>>throw in extras, like reefing spectacles or cunningham.
>>
>>I'll give it a try.
>
>The sooner the better, it's maybe a bit late already. I ordered in
>November, when they aren't so busy.

I had jeckells ring me today. Apparently they had such a brilliant
boatshow, they are extending their 25 percent boat show discount until
end of Feb.

The sailamkers I spoke to today were all happy to throw in extras at
no extra cost.

Ian


27 Jan 2006 21:34:06
Ian Sandell
Re: Mainsail

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:07:55 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net > wrote:

>
>I went for Jeckells because
>
>a) The only original sail on my boat that was any good was made by
>Jeckells.

but that was 30 years ago

>b) At the time I needed a new main several people were recommending
>Jeckells.

Yes, that's what is attracting me to both Jeckells and Crusader.
>
>c) I couldn't justify buying a sail from Hood for three or four times
>the price, although I am still very happy with a furling genoa I
>bought from Hood almost 20 years ago.

I can't see me buying Hood.

Ian


29 Jan 2006 09:41:26
Arturo Ui
Re: Mainsail

> >The sooner the better, it's maybe a bit late already. I ordered in
> >November, when they aren't so busy.
> I had jeckells ring me today. Apparently they had such a brilliant
> boatshow, they are extending their 25 percent boat show discount until
> end of Feb.
> The sailamkers I spoke to today were all happy to throw in extras at
> no extra cost.

Out of interest, did you get prices from the 'Hong Kong sailmakers' place?
I wondered what they could do, at what price and how it compared with the
price of 'regular' sailmakers?

I used to source components in the far east (HK, China, Phillipines, Taiwan)
and saw some remarkably low prices, but also saw prices that were so similar
to European prices. (It is only the labour that is cheap - you actually do
want European/US materials to be used)

?

Artie




30 Jan 2006 19:39:29
Ian Sandell
Re: Mainsail

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:41:26 GMT, "Arturo Ui"
<armageddon_now@hotmail.com > wrote:

>> >The sooner the better, it's maybe a bit late already. I ordered in
>> >November, when they aren't so busy.
>> I had jeckells ring me today. Apparently they had such a brilliant
>> boatshow, they are extending their 25 percent boat show discount until
>> end of Feb.
>> The sailamkers I spoke to today were all happy to throw in extras at
>> no extra cost.
>
>Out of interest, did you get prices from the 'Hong Kong sailmakers' place?
>I wondered what they could do, at what price and how it compared with the
>price of 'regular' sailmakers?
>
>I used to source components in the far east (HK, China, Phillipines, Taiwan)
>and saw some remarkably low prices, but also saw prices that were so similar
>to European prices. (It is only the labour that is cheap - you actually do
>want European/US materials to be used)

I didn't although I did a few years ago when we bought the genoa. They
were no cheaper then than UK sails and didn't offer options like foam
luff.

Ian


30 Jan 2006 19:39:29
Ian Sandell
Re: Mainsail

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:44:18 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net > wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:15:24 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:08:44 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:54:06 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thnaks for replies, chap.
>>>>
>>>>I think we will go for fully battened, prolly with sailman slides
>>>
>>>I've had some success doing a bit of bargaining. I had the feeling
>>>that sail prices aren't fixed.
>>
>>I did get a hint of this talking to sailmakers. Some seem willing to
>>throw in extras, like reefing spectacles or cunningham.
>>
>>I'll give it a try.
>
>The sooner the better, it's maybe a bit late already. I ordered in
>November, when they aren't so busy.

I decided to go for Hyde. They were happy to knock an extra 7 1/2
percent off.

Ian


30 Jan 2006 20:55:07
Arturo Ui
Re: Mainsail

> I decided to go for Hyde. They were happy to knock an extra 7 1/2
> percent off.

That, and they make good sails - good choice mate!

Artie




30 Jan 2006 21:53:03
Ian Sandell
Re: Mainsail

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:55:07 GMT, "Arturo Ui"
<armageddon_now@hotmail.com > wrote:

>> I decided to go for Hyde. They were happy to knock an extra 7 1/2
>> percent off.
>
>That, and they make good sails - good choice mate!

I hope so. i'll let you know in a few months. Incidentally, they do
have their panels cut in far east. I have the impression that most
sailmakers do not cut their own panels, relaying on specialist laser
cutters.

Ian


31 Jan 2006 15:00:11
Martin
Re: Mainsail

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:53:03 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk >
wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:55:07 GMT, "Arturo Ui"
><armageddon_now@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I decided to go for Hyde. They were happy to knock an extra 7 1/2
>>> percent off.
>>
>>That, and they make good sails - good choice mate!
>
>I hope so. i'll let you know in a few months. Incidentally, they do
>have their panels cut in far east. I have the impression that most
>sailmakers do not cut their own panels, relaying on specialist laser
>cutters.

Jeckells cut their own sails
http://www.jeckells.co.uk/sails/index.htm
"Our sophisticated computers and in-house laser cutter combine with
our highly skilled workforce to give us complete control over all
aspects of your sail from design to final inspection. It is this
attention to detail that gives us the confidence to offer a Five Year
Cruising Sail Guarantee."
--
Martin


31 Jan 2006 22:35:36
Ian Sandell
Re: Mainsail

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:00:11 +0100, Martin <me@privacy.net > wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:53:03 GMT, Ian Sandell <ian@sandell.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 20:55:07 GMT, "Arturo Ui"
>><armageddon_now@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I decided to go for Hyde. They were happy to knock an extra 7 1/2
>>>> percent off.
>>>
>>>That, and they make good sails - good choice mate!
>>
>>I hope so. i'll let you know in a few months. Incidentally, they do
>>have their panels cut in far east. I have the impression that most
>>sailmakers do not cut their own panels, relaying on specialist laser
>>cutters.
>
>Jeckells cut their own sails
>http://www.jeckells.co.uk/sails/index.htm
>"Our sophisticated computers and in-house laser cutter combine with
>our highly skilled workforce to give us complete control over all
>aspects of your sail from design to final inspection. It is this
>attention to detail that gives us the confidence to offer a Five Year
>Cruising Sail Guarantee."

Interesting. The brochure I have from the boat show talks about
"in-house CAD team" (man who knows how to work a PC) nd then says it
is passed electronically to "our new laser cutter", which could be
read as in house or out sourced.

Ian



09 Feb 2006 00:30:23
Greg Chapman
Re: Mainsail


"Ian Sandell" <ian@sandell.co.uk > wrote in message
news:08pvt1hrcv9fqavnb6vbc22rbf223cng6f@4ax.com...

> Interesting. The brochure I have from the boat show talks about
> "in-house CAD team" (man who knows how to work a PC) nd then says it
> is passed electronically to "our new laser cutter", which could be
> read as in house or out sourced.

I'll confirm it for you when I visit their loft on Monday to pick up my jib
and main. They've always been very helpful when I've visited in the past.
Dropped everything to conjure up a long bit of bent wire to retrieve my cars
keys from the drain just outside their door, which I had managed to drop as
I got out of the car outside their building.

They always sound ice and chatty on the phone too! When I spoke with Chris
Jeckells, after a year, to remind of my threat to come and raid his files.
"Oh yes", he said, "I remember you!", with a disarming unspoken "How could I
forget?" expression to his voice. Mind you, he obviously likes SeaHawks.
He told me he'd been out in one only the day before on that occasion, and
went on to tell me various places round the Broads and beyond, where I could
find some colonies to add to the web site.

So on Monday I shall also be going to sit down with all their old records so
I can date all the sails they've produced for SeaHawks in the past, and
hopefully, thereby, the boat themselves. Dating boats is one of the most
FAQs the site gets. (Actually, I worry! That was reported to be in excess
of a 1000 sets, and I'm only going to be taking a clipboard and pen for note
taking!)

One of the items that Chris gave me for my site, after that first
conversation is a joy to read.. See:
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com/jeckellsmemo.htm

--
Greg Chapman
http://www.seahawk17.plus.com
Celebrating the SeaHawk