28 Nov 2003 11:25:54
viento
? Air travel w gear

Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
would be appreciated.


28 Nov 2003 20:02:42
Ellen Faller
Re: ? Air travel w gear

I'm trying to take gear overseas with me and every agent I've spoken
with has a different answer. Windsurfing gear is a special category, but
they say they will charge you $258 each way for carrying the gear. I'm
still working on a definition of what "windsurfing gear" actually is.
Use lots of bubblewrap.
Ellen

viento wrote:
> Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
> Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
> Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
> flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
> would be appreciated.



28 Nov 2003 12:36:20
WARDOG
Re: ? Air travel w gear

Hi Viento,
FWIW, we are selling quite a few hard shell cases to traveling surfers
and some windsurfers...the LONGBOARD/FUNBOARD/WAVEBOARD cases at width
23.5", thick 9.5", rocker 1.25" and various lengths are the ones to look
at...
I'm working on the owner to do a windsurfing specific travel case...
http://www.surfingsports.com/surfcase.asp

With the stricter security protocols, gear is being handled more often
per trip and that exponentially increases the risk of damage...
The boxes have foam standoffs and integrated wheels, locks, and shoulder
straps...they roll nicely and can prolly withstand getting run over by a
forklift...they look professional and in a number of circumstances have
saved multiple board charges...

WARDOG
http://www.surfingsports.com


viento wrote:

> Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
> Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
> Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
> flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
> would be appreciated.



28 Nov 2003 17:00:34
Philip Soltysiak
Re: ? Air travel w gear

Wardog: usually you get charged per kg or lbs of gear, wouldn't those boxes
add a lot of weight?

Phil
"WARDOG" <wardog@XXXsurfingsports.com > wrote in message
news:3qOxb.8047$ZE1.3207@fed1read04...
> Hi Viento,
> FWIW, we are selling quite a few hard shell cases to traveling surfers
> and some windsurfers...the LONGBOARD/FUNBOARD/WAVEBOARD cases at width
> 23.5", thick 9.5", rocker 1.25" and various lengths are the ones to look
> at...
> I'm working on the owner to do a windsurfing specific travel case...
> http://www.surfingsports.com/surfcase.asp
>
> With the stricter security protocols, gear is being handled more often
> per trip and that exponentially increases the risk of damage...
> The boxes have foam standoffs and integrated wheels, locks, and shoulder
> straps...they roll nicely and can prolly withstand getting run over by a
> forklift...they look professional and in a number of circumstances have
> saved multiple board charges...
>
> WARDOG
> http://www.surfingsports.com
>
>
> viento wrote:
>
> > Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
> > Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
> > Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
> > flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
> > would be appreciated.
>




28 Nov 2003 22:40:51
jeff feehan
Re: ? Air travel w gear

i guess you already know that really good gear is available to
rent in cabarete - is that where you are going? if so, it probably
isn't worth bringing gear unless you plan to stay for a pretty long
time.

jeff feehan

viento wrote:
> Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
> Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
> Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
> flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
> would be appreciated.



28 Nov 2003 14:48:02
WARDOG
Re: ? Air travel w gear

Hi Phil,
Polyethylene construction...not much heavier, if at all, than a coffin
bag...the biggest one is around 18lbs...
We had a customer recently fly to Costa Rica with a surfboard, sailboard
and kit, along with his fly fishing gear...under the 75lb limit...
More importantly, the gear handlers have an easier time with one of
these hard shells, than some bulky soft bags that can be cumbersome and
unbalanced...and your gear has a much better chance of arriving at it's
destination undamaged...
Just got a thank you note the other day from a guy that went to Tonga
and back with his longboards...
Might not work for everyone...width limitations of sailboards...but I do
know for a fact, that they are working for multiple longboard
surfboards, traveling to all 4 corners of the globe...

WARDOG
http://www.surfingsports.com



WARDOG
http://www.surfingsports.com

Philip Soltysiak wrote:

> Wardog: usually you get charged per kg or lbs of gear, wouldn't those boxes
> add a lot of weight?
>
> Phil
> "WARDOG" <wardog@XXXsurfingsports.com> wrote in message
> news:3qOxb.8047$ZE1.3207@fed1read04...
>
>>Hi Viento,
>>FWIW, we are selling quite a few hard shell cases to traveling surfers
>>and some windsurfers...the LONGBOARD/FUNBOARD/WAVEBOARD cases at width
>>23.5", thick 9.5", rocker 1.25" and various lengths are the ones to look
>>at...
>>I'm working on the owner to do a windsurfing specific travel case...
>>http://www.surfingsports.com/surfcase.asp
>>
>>With the stricter security protocols, gear is being handled more often
>>per trip and that exponentially increases the risk of damage...
>>The boxes have foam standoffs and integrated wheels, locks, and shoulder
>>straps...they roll nicely and can prolly withstand getting run over by a
>>forklift...they look professional and in a number of circumstances have
>>saved multiple board charges...
>>
>>WARDOG
>>http://www.surfingsports.com
>>
>>
>>viento wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
>>>Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
>>>Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
>>>flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
>>>would be appreciated.
>>
>
>



28 Nov 2003 21:35:56
viento
Re: ? Air travel w gear

Hey Wardog
Surfcase looks great. Problem is, as you mentioned, the max width. I
want to pack my Exocet OW 95 (aprox 24"wide). When do think they'll
have one that wide??
Do you think I'll be able to pack everthing in it-including boom?
And Jeff, I know there is good gear down there. Per Jens, just saw him
in Jeri, they got or about to get their Starboards. Still would
rather sail the Exocet and my beloved Ezzys(IMHO NP isn't even close).
>
>


29 Nov 2003 13:24:50
jeff feehan
Re: ? Air travel w gear

bring your rigs, and use their boards - jens has several brands
including jp, maui project, and now, as you mention, starboard.

you will want more than one board. depending on the conditions,
and how much you want to sail, you may want several boards.
lots (maybe half) of the days are really only suitable for slalom
gear.

you will almost certainly want access to a smaller board than
a 24 in. wide waveboard, so even if you bring your gear, you
should arrange for a rental too.

jeff feehan

viento wrote:

> Hey Wardog
> Surfcase looks great. Problem is, as you mentioned, the max width. I
> want to pack my Exocet OW 95 (aprox 24"wide). When do think they'll
> have one that wide??
> Do you think I'll be able to pack everthing in it-including boom?
> And Jeff, I know there is good gear down there. Per Jens, just saw him
> in Jeri, they got or about to get their Starboards. Still would
> rather sail the Exocet and my beloved Ezzys(IMHO NP isn't even close).
>
>>



30 Nov 2003 04:54:39
Lois Stufflebeam
Re: ? Air travel w gear

I agree with Jeff. The problem with taking your own gear is that you
can't bring enough to cover all the conditions. Maybe you will hit a
week of non-stop 4.0 wind. Your board might be too big. Or if you
are unlucky, you'll hit a week of 8.5 conditions. Your board and
sails won't work.

I totally understand the desire to sail your own gear. But unless you
are going for a month or more, it just doesn't make sense. You will
miss too many days on the water, unless you also fork out the bucks
for rental gear. Plus, traveling with gear is always a crap shoot.
You never know what they will charge, and what condition the gear will
be in when it arrives. (although, those travel cases that Wardog has
sure look great! I'll be looking into that next time we take a board
to Margarita!)

If you do take gear, check things out thoroughly with the airline.
Last time I tried to take a couple of sailbags and my 2 suitcases,
American refused to let me travel internationally with more than 2
bags. I finally convinced (or should I say begged)them to let me take
3 bags, but my husband, who was not traveling with me, had to take the
extra luggage home. It was a mad scramble at the check-in desk to
re-pack those things that I felt I really needed to take. Don't know
what I would have done with the extra stuff if I had gone to the
airport alone.

Good luck!

Lois
www.sailbrisas.com

jeff feehan <jfeehan@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message news:<C61yb.28870> you will want more than one board. depending on the conditions,
> and how much you want to sail, you may want several boards.
> lots (maybe half) of the days are really only suitable for slalom
> gear.
>
> you will almost certainly want access to a smaller board than
> a 24 in. wide waveboard, so even if you bring your gear, you
> should arrange for a rental too.
>
> jeff feehan
>


30 Nov 2003 13:32:00
Bill
Re: ? Air travel w gear

Check with them before showing up, AND:

Record the details, time, date, person, phone no. dept., and anything else,
including website "rules" that you used, as if to plead a legal case when
you reach the gate.

Have had to return home from the airport, dump the gear and fly out the next
day. In particular, Continental A/L would not take it on my particular
flight: a bit suspicious.


"viento" <viento92130@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:c3b2b5f1.0311281125.20905514@posting.google.com...
> Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
> Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
> Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
> flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
> would be appreciated.




30 Nov 2003 20:14:43
jeff feehan
Re: ? Air travel w gear

i think continental has disallowed windsurfing gear on
all caribbean flights.

jeff feehan

Bill wrote:

> Check with them before showing up, AND:
>
> Record the details, time, date, person, phone no. dept., and anything else,
> including website "rules" that you used, as if to plead a legal case when
> you reach the gate.
>
> Have had to return home from the airport, dump the gear and fly out the next
> day. In particular, Continental A/L would not take it on my particular
> flight: a bit suspicious.
>
>
> "viento" <viento92130@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c3b2b5f1.0311281125.20905514@posting.google.com...
>
>>Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
>>Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
>>Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
>>flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
>>would be appreciated.
>
>
>



03 Dec 2003 05:44:37
David S.
Re: ? Air travel w gear

Last spring I used American Airlines to ship my boardbag filled with a
board , several sails, mast and boom out of Chicago where they can't
see this stuff that often and it seemed routine. The charge was $80.00


jeff feehan <jfeehan@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message news:<Tcsyb.28501$Rk5.19268@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> i think continental has disallowed windsurfing gear on
> all caribbean flights.
>
> jeff feehan
>
> Bill wrote:
>
> > Check with them before showing up, AND:
> >
> > Record the details, time, date, person, phone no. dept., and anything else,
> > including website "rules" that you used, as if to plead a legal case when
> > you reach the gate.
> >
> > Have had to return home from the airport, dump the gear and fly out the next
> > day. In particular, Continental A/L would not take it on my particular
> > flight: a bit suspicious.
> >
> >
> > "viento" <viento92130@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:c3b2b5f1.0311281125.20905514@posting.google.com...
> >
> >>Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
> >>Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
> >>Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
> >>flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
> >>would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >


04 Dec 2003 17:14:54
carolyn boersma
Re: ? Air travel w gear

And sometimes you just get lucky...after a week of frantic calls to
United Airlines to make sure my sons windsurfing rig could be shipped
with him to Thailand for the FE Asians...and quotes of $235 dollars
each way...got to the airport here in Grand Rapids MI today, and not
only did they not bat and eye, they didnt even CHARGE us at all. Not
sure if it was just because he only had one other bag, or because it
was a pain int he behind to charge, or because they wanted to hurry up
and get him on an earlier flilght to Chicago due to possible inclement
weather...whatever the reason, I am not complaining! So, in the long
run, I think it is a matter of who is at the counter when you get
there!
Carolyn

d.saxe@att.net (David S.) wrote in message news:<c702d095.0312030544.5c86433e@posting.google.com >...
> Last spring I used American Airlines to ship my boardbag filled with a
> board , several sails, mast and boom out of Chicago where they can't
> see this stuff that often and it seemed routine. The charge was $80.00
>
>
> jeff feehan <jfeehan@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<Tcsyb.28501$Rk5.19268@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> > i think continental has disallowed windsurfing gear on
> > all caribbean flights.
> >
> > jeff feehan
> >
> > Bill wrote:
> >
> > > Check with them before showing up, AND:
> > >
> > > Record the details, time, date, person, phone no. dept., and anything else,
> > > including website "rules" that you used, as if to plead a legal case when
> > > you reach the gate.
> > >
> > > Have had to return home from the airport, dump the gear and fly out the next
> > > day. In particular, Continental A/L would not take it on my particular
> > > flight: a bit suspicious.
> > >
> > >
> > > "viento" <viento92130@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:c3b2b5f1.0311281125.20905514@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > >>Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
> > >>Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
> > >>Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
> > >>flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
> > >>would be appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >


05 Dec 2003 00:09:47
Dan Weiss
Re: ? Air travel w gear

OK, after months of wrangling and gnashing of teeth with the company I am
here to report that I have achieved .... nothing.

About a year ago I started working on a plan to provide US Windsurfing
members a reasonable way to ship gear. The airlines are such a pain in the
rear end, and as nice as most of the employees can be, not much can be said
about delicate handling of windsurfing equipment. When I booked a ski trip
through ski-travel company their paperwork included a brochure for Sports
Express.

In short, Sports Express ships sporting equipment at very competitive rates,
plus they provide damage insurance at no additional cost. This last aspect
got me interested as airline damage to my gear has plagued me like the
plague, sort of. Sports Express uses FedEx, UPS and DHL to ship the gear,
and they arrange for pickup and storage of your gear at your hotel until you
arrive. No extra $$ for that, either.

The challenge was that most of the damaged gear is very light race gear. I
can't begin to count the number of times I've opened my board bag to find my
a race board damaged and my wave board just fine. At least Sports Express
would pick up the repair bill, plus if I sent it ahead (now illegal with the
US domestic passenger airlines but fine with cargo), ensure safe storage and
they would send it to a board repair shop for a fix by the time I got there!
Seriously good service for less than most airline excess baggage fees.

My goal was to arrange a special rate package for all US Windsurfing members
traveling with gear. The only problem was that FW and longboards remain
outside the dimension limits for both UPS and FedEx. (DHL will ship
elephants and battle tanks but apparently did not offer Sports Express a
discount sufficiently deep to allow SE to fit DHL into their domestic price
structure and are limited to international shipping -I tried diligently on
both ends to get DHL and SE together on pricing, but no luck). Without DHL
their was no way to offer this killer discounted package to all US
Windsurfing members and their diverse gear collections

All I can say is that Sports Express is a great company to work with, and
their marketing director happens to be the brother in law to Cort Larned.
Try them out for yourselves. As board lengths continue to shrink, more and
more windsurfers can take advantage of Sport Express. Check out the
discount for online booking, too.

I am unaffiliated with the company, but think that at least for the small
gear SE has a lot more to offer than any airline.

www.sportsexpress.com Knock yourself out.

--
-Dan
"carolyn boersma" <carolynboersma@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:a5affcda.0312041714.5bfbb869@posting.google.com...
> And sometimes you just get lucky...after a week of frantic calls to
> United Airlines to make sure my sons windsurfing rig could be shipped
> with him to Thailand for the FE Asians...and quotes of $235 dollars
> each way...got to the airport here in Grand Rapids MI today, and not
> only did they not bat and eye, they didnt even CHARGE us at all. Not
> sure if it was just because he only had one other bag, or because it
> was a pain int he behind to charge, or because they wanted to hurry up
> and get him on an earlier flilght to Chicago due to possible inclement
> weather...whatever the reason, I am not complaining! So, in the long
> run, I think it is a matter of who is at the counter when you get
> there!
> Carolyn
>
> d.saxe@att.net (David S.) wrote in message
news:<c702d095.0312030544.5c86433e@posting.google.com >...
> > Last spring I used American Airlines to ship my boardbag filled with a
> > board , several sails, mast and boom out of Chicago where they can't
> > see this stuff that often and it seemed routine. The charge was $80.00
> >
> >
> > jeff feehan <jfeehan@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:<Tcsyb.28501$Rk5.19268@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net >...
> > > i think continental has disallowed windsurfing gear on
> > > all caribbean flights.
> > >
> > > jeff feehan
> > >
> > > Bill wrote:
> > >
> > > > Check with them before showing up, AND:
> > > >
> > > > Record the details, time, date, person, phone no. dept., and
anything else,
> > > > including website "rules" that you used, as if to plead a legal case
when
> > > > you reach the gate.
> > > >
> > > > Have had to return home from the airport, dump the gear and fly out
the next
> > > > day. In particular, Continental A/L would not take it on my
particular
> > > > flight: a bit suspicious.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "viento" <viento92130@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:c3b2b5f1.0311281125.20905514@posting.google.com...
> > > >
> > > >>Anyone have any recent experience flying with gear on Amereican
> > > >>Airlines to the Carribean. Going from west coast U.S. to the D.R.
> > > >>Spoke with AA but would like to hear from sailors who have actually
> > > >>flown lately. Any feedback regarding costs, size limits, packing
> > > >>would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >




10 Dec 2003 19:42:24
Don
Re: ? Air travel w gear

I have a place in the Grenadines and I have always shipped my gear on the cargo
airline Amerijet...reasonable rates (cheaper than American in most cases) ,
dependable, careful with gear. Many island hopper planes will not take gear and
American Eagle sometimes leaves gear behind for a few days due to too much
luggage.



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