31 Oct 2003 13:30:40 |

Robert B. Waltz |

WTA Race Update (Spoiler) |

According to the WTA web site, Petrova just beat Rubin. That means: 1. Venus is in. 2. Sugiyama is in unless Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama loses her next match. 3. Rubin is the #1 alternate unless Petrova qualifies, in which case Sugiyama is the #1 alternate. This also makes the year-end #10 very interesting. Rubin has 2231 points. She is defending 67 at the Championships. She now has 2 in her eighteenth tournament. So: If Venus plays and Rubin doesn't, she ends up with 2166 ranking points. Sugiyama, going into her QF match, has 2077 points. She has 46 in tournament 16 (which will become #17 after Philadelphia). She earns a minimum of 67 for playing the Championships. That would put her at 2098. So she needs about two more wins to end the year in the Top Ten. If Venus withdraws from the Championships, she ends the year with 2211 points, and Rubin gets her 67 points back, meaning that she ends ahead of Venus no matter what. And Sugiyama could pass her too, which would mean Venus would end the year #11. I sure hope someone explains that to her, so she can decide whether she's a tennis player or a fashion model. (She *is* going to be modelling at the Championships. Now why does this story sound familiar?) |

31 Oct 2003 21:51:23 |

Michal Jankowski |

Re: WTA Race Update (Spoiler) |

"Robert B. Waltz" <waltzmn@skypoint.com > writes: > 2. Sugiyama is in unless Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama > loses her next match. > 3. Rubin is the #1 alternate unless Petrova qualifies, in which > case Sugiyama is the #1 alternate. I don't quite get it. If Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama loses in QF, we get: - Petrova (in) - Sugiyama (alternate) - Rubin (i.e. Petrova ahead of Rubin) But if Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama wins her QF, we get: - Sugiyama (in) - Rubin (alternate) - Petrova (Rubin ahead of Petrova) ? MJ |

31 Oct 2003 15:08:19 |

Robert B. Waltz |

Re: WTA Race Update (Spoiler) |

Michal Jankowski <michalj@fuw.edu.pl > wrote: > "Robert B. Waltz" <waltzmn@skypoint.com> writes: > > > 2. Sugiyama is in unless Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama > > loses her next match. > > 3. Rubin is the #1 alternate unless Petrova qualifies, in which > > case Sugiyama is the #1 alternate. > > I don't quite get it. > > If Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama loses in QF, we get: > > - Petrova (in) > - Sugiyama (alternate) > - Rubin > (i.e. Petrova ahead of Rubin) Yes. > But if Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama wins her QF, we get: > > - Sugiyama (in) > - Rubin (alternate) > - Petrova > (Rubin ahead of Petrova) Reread the above. It doesn't cover the case you outline. In fact if Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama loses, then Sugiyama is in, Petrova is the alternate, and Rubin is nothing. |

31 Oct 2003 22:25:52 |

Michal Jankowski |

Re: WTA Race Update (Spoiler) |

"Robert B. Waltz" <waltzmn@skypoint.com > writes: > Reread the above. It doesn't cover the case you outline. In > fact if Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama loses, then > Sugiyama is in, Petrova is the alternate, and Rubin is nothing. Well, I think I did. 8-) >> > 3. Rubin is the #1 alternate unless Petrova qualifies, Anyway, it seems Sugiyama has won her match. MJ |

31 Oct 2003 22:10:09 |

Naomi Lloyd |

Re: WTA Race Update (Spoiler) |

Now that we know that Sugiyama has made it to the semi's, what is the scenario if Petrova wins the tournament and Sugiyama loses in the semi's? Would the outcome be influenced by a possible lack of quality points if Raymond beats Mauresmo and then Petrova beats Raymond in the finals? Thanks, Naomi "Robert B. Waltz" <waltzmn@skypoint.com > wrote in message news:waltzmn-3D0DB2.15081931102003@corp.supernews.com... > Michal Jankowski <michalj@fuw.edu.pl> wrote: > > > "Robert B. Waltz" <waltzmn@skypoint.com> writes: > > > > > 2. Sugiyama is in unless Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama > > > loses her next match. > > > 3. Rubin is the #1 alternate unless Petrova qualifies, in which > > > case Sugiyama is the #1 alternate. > > > > I don't quite get it. > > > > If Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama loses in QF, we get: > > > > - Petrova (in) > > - Sugiyama (alternate) > > - Rubin > > (i.e. Petrova ahead of Rubin) > > Yes. > > > But if Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama wins her QF, we get: > > > > - Sugiyama (in) > > - Rubin (alternate) > > - Petrova > > (Rubin ahead of Petrova) > > Reread the above. It doesn't cover the case you outline. In > fact if Petrova wins Philadelphia and Sugiyama loses, then > Sugiyama is in, Petrova is the alternate, and Rubin is nothing. |

31 Oct 2003 17:45:07 |

Robert B. Waltz |

Re: WTA Race Update (Spoiler) |

"Naomi Lloyd" <nlloyd@escape.ca > wrote: > Now that we know that Sugiyama has made it to the semi's, what is the > scenario if Petrova wins the tournament and Sugiyama loses in the semi's? > Would the outcome be influenced by a possible lack of quality points if > Raymond beats Mauresmo and then Petrova beats Raymond in the finals? OK, here are the numbers: Sugiyama (current, may change): 2239 Venus: 2211 Rubin: 2169 Petrova (current): 2005 Optimum for Petrova, as you say, is that she beats Mauresmo in the final. If she does that, she ends up with 2198. If she plays Sugiyama in the final, that falls to 2190. If she plays Raymond in the final, she ends up with 2170. It's almost a photo finish, but Petrova thus has clinched the alternate spot if she wins. Otherwise, it's Rubin. |

31 Oct 2003 20:17:30 |

Josh Briscoe |

Re: WTA Race Update (Spoiler) |

I read an article last week saying Venus has bagged on the rest of the season. So with that in mind, would Sugiyama not have already clinched and now the only question left is Petrova/Rubin for 8 and 9? OK, here are the numbers: Sugiyama (current, may change): 2239 Venus: 2211 Rubin: 2169 Petrova (current): 2005 |

31 Oct 2003 19:56:03 |

Robert B. Waltz |

Re: WTA Race Update (Spoiler) |

"Josh Briscoe" <j.briscoe@sympatico.ca > wrote: > I read an article last week saying Venus has bagged on the rest of the > season. So with that in mind, would Sugiyama not have already clinched and > now the only question left is Petrova/Rubin for 8 and 9? Serena has officially bagged the season, but Venus has not. In fact, officials at Philadelphia were upset at her withdrawal. She may have decided not to play -- but it's not official. Since you are responding to a statement which said Sugiyama had clinched, Sugiyama obviously has clinched. If Venus is out, then you're right, it's Petrova or Rubin for the last spot, with Petrova having to win to earn it. But if Venus plays, then it's over, with Petrova playing only for the alternate spot. |