27 Feb 2007 06:29:25
Richard Bridgman
What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?

Personally I agree wholeheartedly with the main point of this article:

http://tinyurl.com/2469tm

But what will it take to remodel the English structure? Is there any
chance? How did it get this way in the first place?

Richard Bridgman



27 Feb 2007 06:31:49
Richard Bridgman
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?

On Feb 27, 8:29 am, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Personally I agree wholeheartedly with the main point of this article:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2469tm
>
> But what will it take to remodel the English structure? Is there any
> chance? How did it get this way in the first place?
>
> Richard Bridgman

Clubs, not "cluns". Cluns....sounds remarkably like...bank manager.

Richard Bridgman



27 Feb 2007 08:11:24
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?

On Feb 27, 2:31 pm, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 27, 8:29 am, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Personally I agree wholeheartedly with the main point of this article:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2469tm
>
> > But what will it take to remodel the English structure? Is there any
> > chance? How did it get this way in the first place?
>
> > Richard Bridgman
>
> Clubs, not "cluns". Cluns....sounds remarkably like...bank manager.
>
> Richard Bridgman

Hi

To restructure English rugby will be a big upheavil but id start with
something like this
8 Regional Franchises that the clubs have a steak in like the NZ Super
14 franchises and Provences

Teams based in regional centres
London 1
London 2
Manchester
Birmingham
Bristol/Bath



27 Feb 2007 08:18:32
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?

On Feb 27, 2:31 pm, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 27, 8:29 am, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Personally I agree wholeheartedly with the main point of this article:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2469tm
>
> > But what will it take to remodel the English structure? Is there any
> > chance? How did it get this way in the first place?
>
> > Richard Bridgman
>
> Clubs, not "cluns". Cluns....sounds remarkably like...bank manager.
>
> Richard Bridgman

They could do something like in New Zealand

6 Franchises placed in regional centres ,the clubs would have a steak
in these franchises and the franchises only play in the Heineken Cup
and all players in the 6 teams would be centraly contracted to the
RFU, The clubs would still play in the Guiness Premiership and can
still contract central contracted players but the RFU would get last
say on when they play for the clubs but the clubs would also get a
income from there franchise team as well from the RFU, also National
League teams could also get a steak in a franchise .

London 1
London 2
Manchester
Newcastle
Birmingham
Bristol/Bath

Les




27 Feb 2007 08:25:22
Stex
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?

On Feb 27, 5:18 pm, LEZMETS2...@AOL.COM wrote:
> On Feb 27, 2:31 pm, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 27, 8:29 am, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Personally I agree wholeheartedly with the main point of this article:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2469tm
>
> > > But what will it take to remodel the English structure? Is there any
> > > chance? How did it get this way in the first place?
>
> > > Richard Bridgman
>
> > Clubs, not "cluns". Cluns....sounds remarkably like...bank manager.
>
> > Richard Bridgman
>
> They could do something like in New Zealand
>
> 6 Franchises placed in regional centres ,the clubs would have a steak
> in these franchises and the franchises only play in the Heineken Cup
> and all players in the 6 teams would be centraly contracted to the
> RFU, The clubs would still play in the Guiness Premiership and can
> still contract central contracted players but the RFU would get last
> say on when they play for the clubs but the clubs would also get a
> income from there franchise team as well from the RFU, also National
> League teams could also get a steak

Aye, and ya'll poach em from New Zealand as well

Stex



27 Feb 2007 18:23:54
River Tramp
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?


"Stex" <stex2727@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1172593522.031897.224990@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 27, 5:18 pm, LEZMETS2...@AOL.COM wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 2:31 pm, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Feb 27, 8:29 am, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > Personally I agree wholeheartedly with the main point of this
>> > > article:
>>
>> > >http://tinyurl.com/2469tm
>>
>> > > But what will it take to remodel the English structure? Is there any
>> > > chance? How did it get this way in the first place?
>>
>> > > Richard Bridgman
>>
>> > Clubs, not "cluns". Cluns....sounds remarkably like...bank manager.
>>
>> > Richard Bridgman
>>
>> They could do something like in New Zealand
>>
>> 6 Franchises placed in regional centres ,the clubs would have a steak
>> in these franchises and the franchises only play in the Heineken Cup
>> and all players in the 6 teams would be centraly contracted to the
>> RFU, The clubs would still play in the Guiness Premiership and can
>> still contract central contracted players but the RFU would get last
>> say on when they play for the clubs but the clubs would also get a
>> income from there franchise team as well from the RFU, also National
>> League teams could also get a steak
>
> Aye, and ya'll poach em from New Zealand as well
>
> Stex
>

Too far down the line. Restructure or whatever like the French, have have
the domestic games stop during internationals. The clubs don't want to play
during international weekends, it's the RFU who structure the fixtures and
then try and blackmail the clubs (remember the AnglWelsh semis last year
when the RFU didn't want the internationals playing, but insisted the game
went ahead?). They've got the resoucres because they insist on partication
in crap cups, cut those out and then play meaningfull rugby outside the
international season.

As an idea, paying a lot of money to the clubs to take control of the best
players I'm sure will interest the clubs, but why not try and contract the
up and coming players now, who can be expected to play for England in a few
years time, so gradually get to having a say in when they play, and resolve
it without too much pain.

IanC




28 Feb 2007 18:21:33
Uncle Bully
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?


<LEZMETS2000@AOL.COM > wrote in message
news:1172593112.117698.201820@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 27, 2:31 pm, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 8:29 am, "Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Personally I agree wholeheartedly with the main point of this article:
>>
>> >http://tinyurl.com/2469tm
>>
>> > But what will it take to remodel the English structure? Is there any
>> > chance? How did it get this way in the first place?
>>
>> > Richard Bridgman
>>
>> Clubs, not "cluns". Cluns....sounds remarkably like...bank manager.
>>
>> Richard Bridgman
>
> They could do something like in New Zealand

Ding! Ding! Dully's Law.


>
> 6 Franchises placed in regional centres ,the clubs would have a steak
> in these franchises and the franchises only play in the Heineken Cup
> and all players in the 6 teams would be centraly contracted to the
> RFU, The clubs would still play in the Guiness Premiership and can
> still contract central contracted players but the RFU would get last
> say on when they play for the clubs but the clubs would also get a
> income from there franchise team as well from the RFU, also National
> League teams could also get a steak in a franchise .
>
> London 1
> London 2
> Manchester
> Newcastle
> Birmingham
> Bristol/Bath
>
> Les
>
>




28 Feb 2007 12:08:45
oob
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:31:49 -0800, Richard Bridgman wrote:
> Clubs, not "cluns". Cluns....sounds remarkably like...bank manager.

Nice.


28 Feb 2007 06:31:50
Richard Bridgman
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?

On Feb 27, 10:18 am, LEZMETS2...@AOL.COM wrote:

>
> They could do something like in New Zealand
>
> 6 Franchises placed in regional centres ,the clubs would have a steak
> in these franchises and the franchises only play in the Heineken Cup
> and all players in the 6 teams would be centraly contracted to the
> RFU, The clubs would still play in the Guiness Premiership and can
> still contract central contracted players but the RFU would get last
> say on when they play for the clubs but the clubs would also get a
> income from there franchise team as well from the RFU, also National
> League teams could also get a steak in a franchise .
>
> London 1
> London 2
> Manchester
> Newcastle
> Birmingham
> Bristol/Bath

I wish. The NZ model certainly seems more sensible, and the results
speak for themselves. What I'm struggling to understand is why other
countries work this out and we don't - what are the obstacles to this
occurring in England? Somehow the clubs seem to have all the
bargaining power, and the RFU is completely ineffectual.

> Les

Richard Bridgman



28 Feb 2007 21:06:16
DC
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?

Richard Bridgman wrote:

> I wish. The NZ model certainly seems more sensible, and the results
> speak for themselves. What I'm struggling to understand is why other
> countries work this out and we don't - what are the obstacles to this
> occurring in England? Somehow the clubs seem to have all the
> bargaining power, and the RFU is completely ineffectual.

Countries like Ireland, NZ and SA had traditions of regional/provincial
teams as a tier between club (or university/college/army/police) and
national teams. With clear hierarchical structures, promising players
could quickly be identified and move up the hierarchy, without having to
move clubs. A national team benefits from a hierarchical structure that
quickly identifies, funnels, nurtures and develops young talent.

When RU went professional, people in England were using association
football as the model.

Even English county cricket (despite its problems) would have been a
better template for English RU.

Or the RFU should have taken majority stakes in most 1st division clubs
in 1996/97 before the sugar daddies moved in.


02 Mar 2007 22:22:45
hognoxious
Re: What will it take to resolve the RFU vs Cluns issue?

<LEZMETS2000@AOL.COM > wrote in message
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...
> 8 Regional Franchises that the clubs have a steak in [...] Provences

Stop it, you're making me hungry!