30 Oct 2003 15:00:49
hmm
Oral Sex in mainstream movies

http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1071774,00.htmlComment:

Comment: I can't lie. I'd mark out if a mainstream actress "serviced"
someone on screen:

A new spate of films is showing sex in a much more realistic and graphic
light - and that means oral sex too. Is Hollywood growing up at last, asks
Rebecca Traister

Those who have nursed Meg Ryan fantasies since she told Anthony "Goose"
Edwards to take her to bed or lose her for ever in Top Gun, probably already
have their tickets for In the Cut, Jane Campion's choppy, erotic thriller
that opens this week. In it, a mustachioed and criminally attractive Mark
Ruffalo takes Ryan to bed, plants her on her stomach, spreads her legs, and
performs oral sex on her from behind, in a scene that lasts a breathtaking
two minutes. A steady master shot with no quick cuts and no "Is that what I
think it is?" moments; even the most jaded filmgoers will feel their pulses
quicken.
There is nothing like the visceral jolt of seeing Ruffalo's face ensconced
in Ryan's rump, to hammer home exactly how rare it is to see oral sex
depicted on multiplex screens - especially when the relevant roving lips
reside on the faces of bona fide movie stars, rather than doubles. But Ryan
and Ruffalo are about to get company on their travels below the belt, as
Hollywood experiences early tremors of a graphic (oral) sexual revolution.
The results may be titillating, but the cumulative impact speaks less to
shock value than to the way the film industry's portrayal of realistic
sexuality is beginning to evolve.

The Cooler, which will be released in the US next month, chronicles the life
of a rusted-out Vegas loser (William H Macy) who hits the erotic jackpot in
a relationship with younger, blonder Maria Bello, best known as Dr Del Amico
in ER. After a rushed, awkward first encounter, Macy's character makes
amends by paying Bello lip service. The cut of the film that screened at the
Sundance Film Festival in January shows Bello's face grimacing in a quiet,
almost pained orgasm. The camera then moves lower, where Bello's own hand
and Macy's face rest in the actor's thatch of brunette pubic hair, earning
the film a dreaded NC-17 rating in the US (meaning you have to be 18 or over
to get in).

In July, the film's director, Wayne Kramer, appeared with Bello before the
Motion Picture Association of America's parental guideline ratings board to
secure the film an R (where under 17-year-olds need an accompanying adult).
In exchange, the brief glimpse of pubic fuzz is history, though audiences
will still see Macy nuzzling down below.

"Apparently, you cannot show pubic hair in a sexual situation," says Bello,
rolling her eyes ever so slightly. "Our ratings system is so screwed up."
Rich Taylor, of the MPAA, insists that there is no act-by-act code for
rating movies. Rather, he says, a rating is decided in a vote by a board of
adults "with parenting experience".

But Bello says she thinks that the objections to the scene were about
something else entirely. "I agree with my director that the reason the scene
had to get cut was not about the pubic hair," says the actor, who was being
very good-natured for someone quizzed about her bush over coffee. "The men I
know who've seen it and who are not artists," she says, "are terrified of
it, of that scene. And I think it's seeing my face having an orgasm - a real
one, a complicated one - a woman deriving pleasure from [cunnilingus] is
very scary for a lot of people."

Equally scary - surprisingly - is the sight of a penis. While the
Ryan-Ruffalo coupling survived the ratings board, a different scene from In
the Cut, depicting fellatio, did not. In the version of the film shown to
the press, the scene - in which an unidentified man's face is obscured in
shadow and a woman's head is shown mostly from behind - included clear shots
of a very wet and very erect penis. That penis, like Bello's pubic hair, got
cut from the film. A toned-down version of the act remains.

Then there's The Brown Bunny, Vincent Gallo's controversial opus that was
shown at the Cannes Film Festival in May. The Brown Bunny may never get a
release here or in the US (though it is opening in France in December), but
its director and star, Gallo, reportedly received his own. The film features
an extended blow job administered by Gallo's ex-girlfriend ChloŽ Sevigny.
Sevigny has said that the act was not simulated.

"Men take their penises very seriously," says 36-year-old Bello. Which is
one of the reasons that showing them (the penises) or showing a woman
pleasured without the benefit of one has been so rare. So what has prompted
this new wave of Hollywood liberation?

"It was actually Bill [Macy]'s idea," says Bello with a grin. She explained
that during the filming of the low-budget movie, she, Macy and Kramer
improvised the intense love scenes as they went along, asking each other,
"What does it look like?" when two people have sex for the first time, and
then for a second time.

It was for this second scene that, according to Bello, Macy proclaimed: "I
think it's such an intimate thing for a man to go down on a woman." "That
scared me," she says, pushing back from the table. "To be that open and
exposed." Bello says it was the psychology that frightened her more than the
prospect of actually filming. She and Macy were close, she says, careful to
point out that they have children the same age - he with actor wife Felicity
Huffman, she with screenwriter Dan McDermott.

Even so, the fact that it's tough to fake an oral-sex scene is probably one
of the things that has contributed to the paucity of them on-screen. Where
even the most graphic genital sex can be simulated, with a body double if
need be, oral sex by definition requires the most recognisable part of a
performer's anatomy - his or her face - to be in the shot, lending such
scenes the dangerous they-actually-did-it frisson of Donald Sutherland and
Julie Christie in Don't Look Now.

Not that there haven't been other films to go down that path. Monster's
Ball, Boys Don't Cry, Two Girls and a Guy, and Campion's Holy Smoke all gave
nods to oral sex. There's Julie Christie again, servicing Warren Beatty
under a table in Shampoo. Even Pretty Woman includes a scene in which Julia
Roberts unzips a seated Richard Gere's pants and hunkers down for some
quality time between his legs. But then, she was a hooker. And the other
films feature convicts, transsexuals, cult members, threesome-enthusiasts,
Beatty, and other creatures of supposedly voracious and perversely fervid
appetites. Disabled Vietnam veteran Jon Voight's oral attention to Jane
Fonda in 1978's Coming Home is practically patriotic.

"Normal" people - like Ryan's teacher, Ruffalo's cop, Bello's cocktail
waitress, and Macy's casino employee - have not traditionally partaken of
anything resembling realistic oral pleasure in the movies. "It has to do
with our lingering Victorian attitudes about sex," says Dan Weiner,
assistant professor of psychiatry and human behaviour at Brown University.
"There are still a lot of things we do that we don't talk about and that we
don't feel comfortable seeing in a public place like a cinema." Past
oral-sex scenes have also followed a fairly routine model: one head moves
downward from a shared kiss, leaving the frame. The camera lingers on the
other partner's face. There is panting, groaning, glistening, and a
conveniently speedy paroxysm of eye-rolling pleasure.

"That's the standard scene - the man's head goes down, cut to the woman's
face and then she goes into ecstasy," says sex therapist Betty Dodson. "It
sounds like Jane [Campion] did better. Three cheers for Jane."

"Usually what you see is the huh-huh heavy breathing," says Bello, wetting
her lips, throwing her head back for a moment, and slapping the table of our
booth for a climax imitation that immediately recalls Ryan's orgasmic
theatrics in When Harry Met Sally.

"What it looks like in real life can include that" - Bello nods her head to
the side, indicating her own passion-flushed face of 20 seconds ago - "but
that is not the only thing that sex and intimacy is about." Bello reminds me
that her on-screen cunnilingual climax follows directly on the heels of a
painful conversation that her character has with Macy's character. She says
that she conceived of his ministrations as healing as much as stimulating.

"Orgasm isn't always a joyful release," she says. "Sometimes it can be the
release of old wounds, of a desperation to experience real feeling again, of
pain. I mean, sexuality is just so much more complicated than what we have
experienced in the American cinema so far. Thank God there are some films
that are starting to be more open to real kinds of sexuality."

Weiner agrees. "If there are more films that are featuring oral sex," he
says, "then that's a positive development. I agree that there should be more
non-penis-centered sex on the screen. The broader the range of sexual
experiences depicted, the better. It removes some of the taboo feeling from
some of these acts."

As a clinician, Weiner says, he frequently encounters problems with people
whose ideas of what sex is supposed to be have been influenced negatively by
the media. "Most people - except under rare circumstances - do not get to
witness other people having sex," except on movie and television screens,
says Weiner. The glorified Hollywood couplings they're left with give them
"unrealistic expectations of what sex is supposed to be, and then they set
terribly high standards for themselves."

Which is not to say that this spate of erotica portrays the amorous embrace
with the stark realism of everyday life. Bello is hotter and Macy more
talented than anyone any of us is likely to go home with. Meg Ryan - despite
a distressing new look that suggests she has had a trout implanted in each
of her lips - is Meg Ryan. And the lighting, music and cleanish sheets of
these films suggest scenes that already trump reality.

But one of the pleasures of kinkier mainstream movies is that they
jump-start our imaginations in a way that the familiar sweat-damp sexual
wrestling of beautiful people has long since ceased to do. When I tell Bello
about the oral sex episode in In the Cut, she pauses for a moment and fixes
her eyes in the middle distance. "It sounds amazing."




30 Oct 2003 14:35:47
Markie Post
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

> earning
> the film a dreaded NC-17 rating in the US (meaning you have to be 18 or over
> to get in).

i thought it meant you had to be 17 or over to get in!!!

has anyone really ever been carded at a movie theater anyway??? i
never have been!!!

what are they complaining about??? they had to cut out some scenes
to slip under the r rating... but they get tons of free press about
it and then can release the directors cut on dvd and rake in even
more moolah!!!

> "It has to do
> with our lingering Victorian attitudes about sex," says Dan Weiner

how long did they have to search to find someone with a name like
'weiner' to add his 2 cents???


30 Oct 2003 20:58:17
Steve D. Perkins
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

What is the point of this article, or any of the "contraversy"? This
is no new trend, there have shots of faces planted between women's legs for
years. The first thing that popped into my head was Tara Reid in the
original "American Pie" back in the 90's, I also remember one of the
Baldwins stuffing his face up Sharon Stone's ass in "Sliver" about 5-10
years earlier.

Sure, you can't put an erect cock in a film and get an R-rating
(double-standard, but one that I'm cool with)... but muff-diving's no new
thing. Sounds to me like some people are just trying to stir up publicity
and make a lot of money on their little low-budget film (maybe snag an Ocar
nod or two for being so "groundbreaking").




30 Oct 2003 19:04:38
ggg
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies


"Steve D. Perkins" <dontwritesteve@hotmail.com > wrote:
> What is the point of this article, or any of the "contraversy"? This
> is no new trend, there have shots of faces planted between women's legs
for
> years. The first thing that popped into my head was Tara Reid in the
> original "American Pie" back in the 90's, I also remember one of the
> Baldwins stuffing his face up Sharon Stone's ass in "Sliver" about 5-10
> years earlier.

I think the point is that it's getting "real" rather than being "simulated".
No body doubles, no "cheating" and what have you. Have you seen French
actress Caroline Ducey in Romance?

(On a related note, hasn't Sharon Stone distanced herself for all those
naughty bits she used to do?)

> Sure, you can't put an erect cock in a film and get an R-rating
> (double-standard, but one that I'm cool with)... but muff-diving's no new
> thing. Sounds to me like some people are just trying to stir up publicity
> and make a lot of money on their little low-budget film (maybe snag an
Ocar
> nod or two for being so "groundbreaking").

Then ofcourse there's always this. Publicity for the movie ofcourse plays a
part.




30 Oct 2003 18:05:01
Owl Jolson
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

This reminds me of that Richard Prior movie in which Margot Kidder gave him
a bj in the bathtub. It looked mighty real to me. But knowing their
history she most likely did it for real, just like Bruce Dern nailing Cybil
Sheppard.




31 Oct 2003 02:34:37
Pete Panaro
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

>"Apparently, you cannot show pubic hair in a sexual situation," says Bello,
>rolling her eyes ever so slightly. "Our ratings system is so screwed up."

What an idiot.

>And I think it's seeing my face having an orgasm - a real
>one, a complicated one - a woman deriving pleasure from [cunnilingus] is
>very scary for a lot of people."

Like I said, what an idiot. And what a martyr, too.







30 Oct 2003 20:44:23
Poot Rootbeer
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

"hmm" <school@fall.graduationsoon > wrote:
> A new spate of films is showing sex in a much more realistic and
> graphic light - and that means oral sex too. Is Hollywood growing
> up at last, asks Rebecca Traister

So preoccupation with sex = growing up. Okay, got it.

> In July, the film's director, Wayne Kramer, appeared with Bello
> before the Motion Picture Association of America

So THAT'S what he's been doing since the MC5 disbanded.

> That penis, like Bello's pubic hair, got cut from the film.

OUCH

> Then there's The Brown Bunny, Vincent Gallo's controversial opus
> that was shown at the Cannes Film Festival in May. The Brown Bunny
> may never get a release here or in the US

...and this has nothing to do with Roger Ebert deriding it as the worst
film ever made (and Ebert collaborated with RUSS MEYER for Gawd's
sake).

> Disabled Vietnam veteran Jon Voight's oral attention to Jane Fonda in
> 1978's Coming Home is practically patriotic.

If he were a real Vet he would have bit Hanoi Jane's goddamned clit off
and chewed it up.

-Poot
kick out the jams, motherfuckers.


31 Oct 2003 02:59:58
Rockboy
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

Markie Post wrote:

>>earning
>>the film a dreaded NC-17 rating in the US (meaning you have to be 18 or over
>>to get in).
>
>
> i thought it meant you had to be 17 or over to get in!!!
>
> has anyone really ever been carded at a movie theater anyway??? i
> never have been!!!

I've neverbeen myself, but I've seen lots of kids turned away from R
rated movies.

--
Rockboy

I think my life is passing me by



31 Oct 2003 04:51:00
David E. Powell
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

"Poot Rootbeer" <poot@dork.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9424DD6C0460Fpootrootbeer@216.196.97.136...
> "hmm" <school@fall.graduationsoon> wrote:
> > A new spate of films is showing sex in a much more realistic and
> > graphic light - and that means oral sex too. Is Hollywood growing
> > up at last, asks Rebecca Traister
>
> So preoccupation with sex = growing up. Okay, got it.
>
> > In July, the film's director, Wayne Kramer, appeared with Bello
> > before the Motion Picture Association of America
>
> So THAT'S what he's been doing since the MC5 disbanded.
>
> > That penis, like Bello's pubic hair, got cut from the film.
>
> OUCH
>
> > Then there's The Brown Bunny, Vincent Gallo's controversial opus
> > that was shown at the Cannes Film Festival in May. The Brown Bunny
> > may never get a release here or in the US
>
> ...and this has nothing to do with Roger Ebert deriding it as the worst
> film ever made (and Ebert collaborated with RUSS MEYER for Gawd's
> sake).
>
> > Disabled Vietnam veteran Jon Voight's oral attention to Jane Fonda in
> > 1978's Coming Home is practically patriotic.
>
> If he were a real Vet he would have bit Hanoi Jane's goddamned clit off
> and chewed it up.

LOL!

Also, what about the oral sex certain "reviewers" give crappy movies to get
kickbacks and access? That is a concern too!

> -Poot
> kick out the jams, motherfuckers.




31 Oct 2003 08:55:06
IAMCALZONExx [UA]
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

Excuse me, Poot Rootbeer, would you please repair my hamster? It's
allready 30 Oct 2003, and I have an important engagement in
rec.sport.pro-wrestling:

> "hmm" <school@fall.graduationsoon> wrote:
>> A new spate of films is showing sex in a much more realistic and
>> graphic light - and that means oral sex too. Is Hollywood growing
>> up at last, asks Rebecca Traister
>
> So preoccupation with sex = growing up. Okay, got it.

Yeah, we call it puberty. Has a lot to do with survival of the species.

All that stuff about morality, and sex being bad and sexuality being
taboo... that's what we call delusion. Has a lot to do with a willful
inability to accept reality.

GC
f em all... f the slow ones first, you can get em twice

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31 Oct 2003 14:21:42
Hitman of Las Vegas
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:00:49 -0500, "hmm" <school@fall.graduationsoon >
wrote:

>There is nothing like the visceral jolt of seeing Ruffalo's face ensconced
>in Ryan's rump, to hammer home exactly how rare it is to see oral sex
>depicted on multiplex screens

I could have started today without that image.


31 Oct 2003 14:09:58
Lord Gow, rogue bull of the 33
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

IAMCALZONExx [UA] wrote:
> Excuse me, Poot Rootbeer, would you please repair my hamster? It's
> allready 30 Oct 2003, and I have an important engagement in
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling:
>
>> "hmm" <school@fall.graduationsoon> wrote:
>>> A new spate of films is showing sex in a much more realistic and
>>> graphic light - and that means oral sex too. Is Hollywood growing
>>> up at last, asks Rebecca Traister
>>
>> So preoccupation with sex = growing up. Okay, got it.
>
> Yeah, we call it puberty. Has a lot to do with survival of the
> species.
>
> All that stuff about morality, and sex being bad and sexuality being
> taboo... that's what we call delusion. Has a lot to do with a willful
> inability to accept reality.
>
> GC
> f em all... f the slow ones first, you can get em twice


Two bulls are standing at the top of a hill, looking out over a herd of
cows:

"We gotta run down there and fuck one of them cows!" said the young, excited
bull.

"Nope.", said the wise old bull, "We gotta walk down there... and fuck 'em
all."

LG (getting toward that wise old end of things)
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01 Nov 2003 19:55:13
IAMCALZONExx [UA]
Re: Oral Sex in mainstream movies

Excuse me, Lord Gow, rogue bull of the 333!, would you please repair my
hamster? It's allready 31 Oct 2003, and I have an important engagement
in rec.sport.pro-wrestling:

> Two bulls are standing at the top of a hill, looking out over a herd
> of cows:
>
> "We gotta run down there and fuck one of them cows!" said the young,
> excited bull.
>
> "Nope.", said the wise old bull, "We gotta walk down there... and fuck
> 'em all."
>
> LG (getting toward that wise old end of things)

A great man used to say that. I miss ole Buck. If a woman gave him any
lip, he'd fuck her in the ear and give her a new set of brains.

GC
it's true

--
***********
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The One and Only
THANK HOGAN!!
***********
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