29 Feb 2004 19:11:42
Mr Scebe
Unassailable (was Congrats Black Caps

"Andrew Dunford" <adunford@artifax.net > wrote in message
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> Yes, it probably was churlish. Immediately prior to reading your post I'd
> just read the same word ('unassailable') in the Wisden Cricinfo report,
and
> it irritated me.
>
> All churlishness notwithstanding, unassailable does not mean 'unbeatable'.
> In the same vein, celebrate the win but realise that a 3-3 result would
end
> up being a disappointment to NZ.

I realise it doesn't mean "unbeatable" but it does mean unable to be
overtaken. The BC may see 3-3 as a disappointment, but i don't. Before the
series i (and i suspect many others) would have said 1-5 was a likely
result, and imo anything better would be considered successful.

Anyway, it's all academic now ;)

> So, do you think Harris will play in Auckland?

Yes ;)

>It was quite funny hearing a
> bunch of talkback callers earlier this evening rambling on about how they
> didn't know which batsman could be dropped in order to accommodate him.

Mmm, it's pretty unfair that Papps has paid the price for Harris' inclusion.
We don't really seem to know how to

>The point being that if he plays, it's to replace a specialist bowler in a
> one-off situation, my favourite being Mills.

I have very mixed feelings about Mills. He isn't the bowler that he thinks
he is, and i would always play Mason ahead of him, but then he did come
through that baptism at Wellington by not conceding a six off the last ball
(i suppose it's a victory of sorts). Now he's just done the same thing - i
can't believe he bowled a NB for six to let SA back into the game!

Every coach has a favourite, but i think that Fleming summed it up as he
wandered to the boundary shaking his head - the guy shouldn't be in the
team. I hope Mason comes back for ODO No6 and then the tests.

--
Mr Scebe
Losers always whine about their 'best'.
Winners go home and fuck the prom queen".
~Sean Connery in "The Rock"





29 Feb 2004 20:44:44
Graeme
Re: Unassailable (was Congrats Black Caps

Agreed... except for the bit about feelings being mixed. He's crap. That's
all there is to it.

> I have very mixed feelings about Mills. He isn't the bowler that he thinks
> he is, and i would always play Mason ahead of him, but then he did come
> through that baptism at Wellington by not conceding a six off the last
ball
> (i suppose it's a victory of sorts). Now he's just done the same thing - i
> can't believe he bowled a NB for six to let SA back into the game!
>
> Every coach has a favourite, but i think that Fleming summed it up as he
> wandered to the boundary shaking his head - the guy shouldn't be in the
> team. I hope Mason comes back for ODO No6 and then the tests.
>
> --
> Mr Scebe
> Losers always whine about their 'best'.
> Winners go home and fuck the prom queen".
> ~Sean Connery in "The Rock"
>
>
>




29 Feb 2004 22:57:59
Mr Scebe
Re: Unassailable (was Congrats Black Caps


"Graeme" <no.spam@me.please > wrote in message
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> Agreed... except for the bit about feelings being mixed. He's crap. That's
> all there is to it.

Oh yeah. I would rather that he's not there cos i think he's shit too -
especially given Mason's contribution the other day. But when all's said and
done he has won two games with his last ball - even if he's given everyone a
heart attack on the way.

--
Mr Scebe
Losers always whine about their 'best'.
Winners go home and fuck the prom queen".
~Sean Connery in "The Rock"





01 Mar 2004 09:58:34
Andrew Dunford
Re: Unassailable (was Congrats Black Caps


"Mr Scebe" <Mr_Scebe@nowhere.com > wrote in message
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> "Andrew Dunford" <adunford@artifax.net> wrote in message
> news:wmk%b.28515$ws.3208535@news02.tsnz.net...
>
> > Yes, it probably was churlish. Immediately prior to reading your post
I'd
> > just read the same word ('unassailable') in the Wisden Cricinfo report,
> and
> > it irritated me.
> >
> > All churlishness notwithstanding, unassailable does not mean
'unbeatable'.
> > In the same vein, celebrate the win but realise that a 3-3 result would
> end
> > up being a disappointment to NZ.
>
> I realise it doesn't mean "unbeatable" but it does mean unable to be
> overtaken.

> The BC may see 3-3 as a disappointment, but i don't. Before the
> series i (and i suspect many others) would have said 1-5 was a likely
> result, and imo anything better would be considered successful.

> Anyway, it's all academic now ;)

That's true. Even I am prepared to concede that South Africa will find it
difficult to come back from 4-1 down.

> > So, do you think Harris will play in Auckland?
>
> Yes ;)
>
> >It was quite funny hearing a
> > bunch of talkback callers earlier this evening rambling on about how
they
> > didn't know which batsman could be dropped in order to accommodate him.
>
> Mmm, it's pretty unfair that Papps has paid the price for Harris'
inclusion.

I suppose it only happened that way because the match had been reduced to 33
overs. Still not the correct decision IMO: NZ nearly lost its way because
the upper-order batsmen seemed overly obsessed with hitting the ball out of
the ground, and had forgotten the basis of building an innings, however
short the game.

Seven bowlers are not needed for an innings of 33 overs. Although Vettori's
failure to bowl was probably caused by the further reduction mid-innings to
29 overs, he still wouldn't have got much of a turn.

> We don't really seem to know how to
>
> >The point being that if he plays, it's to replace a specialist bowler in
a
> > one-off situation, my favourite being Mills.
>
> I have very mixed feelings about Mills. He isn't the bowler that he thinks
> he is, and i would always play Mason ahead of him, but then he did come
> through that baptism at Wellington by not conceding a six off the last
ball
> (i suppose it's a victory of sorts). Now he's just done the same thing - i
> can't believe he bowled a NB for six to let SA back into the game!

To be fair to Mills, his second-to-last over may have won NZ the match.

It's not immediately apparent to me why Mills is in the team. He had
respectable results at the start of his career, without ever doing an awful
lot. This season he doesn't seem to pose any sort of threat with the new
ball, whilst his 'death' bowling is becoming legendary for the wrong
reasons.

The argument seems to run that Tuffey and Mason are similar bowlers to each
other, thus only one plays. Mason is said to be too predictable to bowl at
the end of the innings. I think I could live with his predictability if it
means not bowling chest-high full tosses in the final over. Even before
Mill's two spectacular final overs in this series, one should not forget the
diet of full tosses he served up to Razzaq in Wellington.

> Every coach has a favourite, but i think that Fleming summed it up as he
> wandered to the boundary shaking his head - the guy shouldn't be in the
> team. I hope Mason comes back for ODO No6

Mason deserves a run at Napier. Without being a qualified lip-reader, a
decent proportion of the language used by Fleming to address Mills between
balls in the final over yesterday seemed to be of the four-letter variety.

> and then the tests.

I'm not so sure about the Tests. It depends partly on Tuffey's fitness
(Mason walks in if Tuffey is unavailable), but I'd still be picking Butler,
and Oram will be there as well. The big teaser for the Tests is Cairns:
when at his peak, he was the one who provided balance to the team. Now, his
inclusion seems to upset the balance of the side. I don't favour all three
of Styris, Oram and Cairns in one Test side. Since Oram seems to have
cement his all-rounder's spot batting at seven, that means not including
both Styris and Cairns.

Andrew




01 Mar 2004 13:13:10
Graeme
Re: Unassailable (was Congrats Black Caps

replace the word "won" with "almost lost". They were two games, that should
have been comfortable wins, turned into nailbiters.
Took me half an hour to calm down after that one...

> done he has won two games with his last ball - even if he's given everyone
a
> heart attack on the way.