30 Apr 2005 23:18:51
Thom
Paracommander, T-Bow, X-Bow question

Hi
does anyone know of any recent jumps on the Paracommander, Thunder-Bow
or Cross-Bow? I'm curious how the material is holding up with age?

THOM


01 May 2005 05:41:35
Tom B
Re: Paracommander, T-Bow, X-Bow question


"Thom" <tomlyons@melbpc.org.au > wrote in message
news:42741218.4760380@news.melbpc.org.au...
> Hi
> does anyone know of any recent jumps on the Paracommander, Thunder-Bow
> or Cross-Bow? I'm curious how the material is holding up with age?
>
> THOM

Well I was in a 10 way, all PC's or Pap's, two years ago. I plan to jump
that rig again this year, and am looking for a container to build another
round rig. My opinion is that they are pretty damn hardy, and if kept out of
the sun and stored decently, they will outlast me.

Tom B




01 May 2005 05:59:56
Thom
Re: Paracommander, T-Bow, X-Bow question

On Sun, 01 May 2005 05:41:35 GMT, "Tom B" <d16842@aol.com > wrote:

>
>"Thom" <tomlyons@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
>news:42741218.4760380@news.melbpc.org.au...
>> Hi
>> does anyone know of any recent jumps on the Paracommander, Thunder-Bow
>> or Cross-Bow? I'm curious how the material is holding up with age?
>>
>> THOM
>
>Well I was in a 10 way, all PC's or Pap's, two years ago. I plan to jump
>that rig again this year, and am looking for a container to build another
>round rig. My opinion is that they are pretty damn hardy, and if kept out of
>the sun and stored decently, they will outlast me.

10 eggs in the air at the same time and no squares! Be still my aging
but still interested heart! :-)

THOM
>
>Tom B
>
>



01 May 2005 22:38:47
Tom B
Re: Paracommander, T-Bow, X-Bow question


"Thom" <tomlyons@melbpc.org.au > wrote in message
news:42747022.5254002@news.melbpc.org.au...
> On Sun, 01 May 2005 05:41:35 GMT, "Tom B" <d16842@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> does anyone know of any recent jumps on the Paracommander, Thunder-Bow
>>> or Cross-Bow? I'm curious how the material is holding up with age?
>>> THOM

>>Well I was in a 10 way, all PC's or Pap's, two years ago. I plan to jump
>>that rig again this year, and am looking for a container to build another
>>round rig. My opinion is that they are pretty damn hardy, and if kept out
>>of
>>the sun and stored decently, they will outlast me.

> 10 eggs in the air at the same time and no squares! Be still my aging
> but still interested heart! :-)

Well it is a lot of fun. The 10 way was at the Richmond Labor Day boogie.
The local Richmond crowd tires to make at least one round jump there each
year. The group surely draws a crowd at manifest in that gear, almost as
many as for the nude load. There are some very big eyes with both of them.
For anyone wanting to try a large round way, one point to remember is to
talk with the manifest person beforehand. All those belly wart reserves take
up an unbeliveable amount of space in a rear facing aircraft. On an Otter
you really should drop the number on board by 4 people or so. With a full
load you are pressed so tightly together one can barely breathe.

The only bad part of that year's round jump was that 2 of 10 ended up on
reserves. One was probably a packing error with stabilizers doing a locked
wrap of the suspension lines. The other was caused by an R3 velcro secured
riser capewell that came loose during a tiny bit of contact RW. I have to
say that it is rather disapointing to deploy, get partial line stretch, then
hear a light ching as one of your risers departs. :)

I am hoping to make one round canopy CRW jump this year. I would owe beer
for that one.

Tom B




02 May 2005 07:42:48
Thom
Re: Paracommander, T-Bow, X-Bow question

On Sun, 01 May 2005 22:38:47 GMT, "Tom B" <d16842@aol.com > wrote:

>
>"Thom" <tomlyons@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
>news:42747022.5254002@news.melbpc.org.au...
>> On Sun, 01 May 2005 05:41:35 GMT, "Tom B" <d16842@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> does anyone know of any recent jumps on the Paracommander, Thunder-Bow
>>>> or Cross-Bow? I'm curious how the material is holding up with age?
>>>> THOM
>
>>>Well I was in a 10 way, all PC's or Pap's, two years ago. I plan to jump
>>>that rig again this year, and am looking for a container to build another
>>>round rig. My opinion is that they are pretty damn hardy, and if kept out
>>>of
>>>the sun and stored decently, they will outlast me.
>
>> 10 eggs in the air at the same time and no squares! Be still my aging
>> but still interested heart! :-)
>
>Well it is a lot of fun. The 10 way was at the Richmond Labor Day boogie.
>The local Richmond crowd tires to make at least one round jump there each
>year. The group surely draws a crowd at manifest in that gear, almost as
>many as for the nude load. There are some very big eyes with both of them.
>For anyone wanting to try a large round way, one point to remember is to
>talk with the manifest person beforehand. All those belly wart reserves take
>up an unbeliveable amount of space in a rear facing aircraft. On an Otter
>you really should drop the number on board by 4 people or so. With a full
>load you are pressed so tightly together one can barely breathe.

Thats why we went to the "Rip-off", Sierra and the Pop-Top reserves!
:-)
>
>The only bad part of that year's round jump was that 2 of 10 ended up on
>reserves. One was probably a packing error with stabilizers doing a locked
>wrap of the suspension lines. The other was caused by an R3 velcro secured
>riser capewell that came loose during a tiny bit of contact RW. I have to
>say that it is rather disapointing to deploy, get partial line stretch, then
>hear a light ching as one of your risers departs. :)
>
>I am hoping to make one round canopy CRW jump this year. I would owe beer
>for that one.

still, we do miss the good ole days with the 4-9G openings, cut lips
and bloody chest straps almost every jump and the arguments between
the rag, PC, T-Pow and Sierra jumpers!

And those experimental modifications. Send Paragear $25, get a C-9
take a hot knife to it and after a jump, limp away and say, "Well that
one didn't work", try again. I was a Hustler fan myself. Got all my
roundie DC's with it.

THOM
>
>Tom B
>
>



03 May 2005 07:39:06
Tom B
Re: Paracommander, T-Bow, X-Bow question


"Thom" <tomlyons@melbpc.org.au > wrote in message
news:4275d870.10334286@news.melbpc.org.au...
>>I am hoping to make one round canopy CRW jump this year. I would owe beer
>>for that one.
>
> still, we do miss the good ole days with the 4-9G openings, cut lips
> and bloody chest straps almost every jump and the arguments between
> the rag, PC, T-Pow and Sierra jumpers!

That sounds more like my Monarch than my PC actually. :)

> And those experimental modifications. Send Paragear $25, get a C-9
> take a hot knife to it and after a jump, limp away and say, "Well that
> one didn't work", try again. I was a Hustler fan myself. Got all my
> roundie DC's with it.

People bought canopies then? Who would have thought?

Instead we would go to the base's property disposal operation, and in the
name of the sport parachute club, check out 28' and 35' mains, 24' reserves,
and even 26' Navy conicals if we could get our hands on them. We would sign
out ten canopies at a time, then immediately take 5 of them and cut them in
half. Take the 10 half-canopies, very loosely roll them up, and return them
as 10 complete canopies right back to property disposal. This closed the
records on those canopies, but left us with 5 of them completely off the
books. A few trips like that and we had a hell of a lot of gutter gear.
Harnesses were a little harder. We had to bribe the guys in the rigger lofts
to get those for us, at least if we wanted them off the books. A case of
Schlitz would get us a number of harness/containers and kit bags.

On the weekends we could usually get 10 hours of Huey time for the club,
with the only cost being that we had to feed the crew. Generally that meant
we could jump most of the weekend for a dollar each or so.

Tom B

Tom B




03 May 2005 13:21:01
Thom
Re: Paracommander, T-Bow, X-Bow question

On Tue, 03 May 2005 07:39:06 GMT, "Tom B" <d16842@aol.com > wrote:

>
>"Thom" <tomlyons@melbpc.org.au> wrote in message
>news:4275d870.10334286@news.melbpc.org.au...
>>>I am hoping to make one round canopy CRW jump this year. I would owe beer
>>>for that one.
>>
>> still, we do miss the good ole days with the 4-9G openings, cut lips
>> and bloody chest straps almost every jump and the arguments between
>> the rag, PC, T-Pow and Sierra jumpers!
>
>That sounds more like my Monarch than my PC actually. :)
>
>> And those experimental modifications. Send Paragear $25, get a C-9
>> take a hot knife to it and after a jump, limp away and say, "Well that
>> one didn't work", try again. I was a Hustler fan myself. Got all my
>> roundie DC's with it.
>
>People bought canopies then? Who would have thought?

The least I ever paid for a new unmodified 28' cheapo was $1.75 (a C-9
quarter panel) and the most (a C-8 all white 28') unmodified $20 from
Lyle Cameron.
>
>Instead we would go to the base's property disposal operation, and in the
>name of the sport parachute club, check out 28' and 35' mains, 24' reserves,
>and even 26' Navy conicals if we could get our hands on them. We would sign
>out ten canopies at a time, then immediately take 5 of them and cut them in
>half. Take the 10 half-canopies, very loosely roll them up, and return them
>as 10 complete canopies right back to property disposal. This closed the
>records on those canopies, but left us with 5 of them completely off the
>books. A few trips like that and we had a hell of a lot of gutter gear.
>Harnesses were a little harder. We had to bribe the guys in the rigger lofts
>to get those for us, at least if we wanted them off the books. A case of
>Schlitz would get us a number of harness/containers and kit bags.
>
>On the weekends we could usually get 10 hours of Huey time for the club,

In Nam we had to pay the Viet pilots a bottle of Johnny Walker each
for them and the H-34 and at Ft Sill we got the single Otter and the
Beaver from Base Support. We had to pay at the Travis AFB Club which
jumped at Yolo County back then.

THOM
>with the only cost being that we had to feed the crew. Generally that meant
>we could jump most of the weekend for a dollar each or so.
>
>Tom B
>
>Tom B
>
>