14 Oct 2007 13:54:09
ADK Skier
Whiteface Roller Ski Results?

I'm curious why the Whiteface NYSEF roller ski results weren't posted
on Fasterskiers.com web site. Duncan Douglas (41) from the Rochester,
NY area won the race beating Kris Freeman by over a minute.



14 Oct 2007 23:30:06
Re: Whiteface Roller Ski Results?

Fasterskier articles re North America are contributor generated.
If NYSEF sent it, perhaps it will go up Monday. Or you send the
Word file or link yourself. There's some discussion of it relative to
Kris Freeman on his blog.

ADK Skier <lgsumr@yahoo.com > wrote:

>I'm curious why the Whiteface NYSEF roller ski results weren't posted
>on Fasterskiers.com web site. Duncan Douglas (41) from the Rochester,
>NY area won the race beating Kris Freeman by over a minute.
>


15 Oct 2007 10:49:58
ADK Skier
Re: Whiteface Roller Ski Results?

On Oct 14, 9:30 pm, ro...@invalid.net wrote:
> Fasterskier articles re North America are contributor generated.
> If NYSEF sent it, perhaps it will go up Monday. Or you send the
> Word file or link yourself. There's some discussion of it relative to
> Kris Freeman on his blog.
>
>
>
> ADK Skier <lgs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I'm curious why the Whiteface NYSEF roller ski results weren't posted
> >on Fasterskiers.com web site. Duncan Douglas (41) from the Rochester,
> >NY area won the race beating Kris Freeman by over a minute.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The results are up now at NYSEF's site. It's interesting to read Zach
Caldwell's comments on Kris Freeman's website aboout the roller ski
race. I contributed a follow up comment. Perhaps it will appear.



15 Oct 2007 13:45:31
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Re: Whiteface Roller Ski Results?

These are the results

http://www.teamtoday.org/Stories/tabid/391/ctl/Details/mid/763/ItemID/1002/Default.aspx

Interestingly, I did not see any familiar (i.e. local) citizen racing
names. The field was obviously very competitive, if people flew from
all over the country. I asume that my citizen racing friends from New
England have all retired.



16 Oct 2007 05:44:47
highpeaksnordic
Re: Whiteface Roller Ski Results?

On Oct 15, 4:45 pm, "runcyclexc...@yahoo.com"
<runcyclexc...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> These are the results

"Official" results are at the NYSEF website -

http://nysefnordic.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/nysef-wf-rski-results-2007.doc

> I did not see any familiar (i.e. local) citizen racing names.

I disagree here, my team was well represented - are you saying we are
less famous than we think we are? :-)

For a great photo essay of the race, check this out -

http://www.teamtoday.org/Stories/tabid/391/ctl/Details/mid/763/ItemID/1002/Default.aspx

- Bob




17 Oct 2007 21:42:13
Gary Jacobson
Re: Whiteface Roller Ski Results?


"ADK Skier" <lgsumr@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1192394672.675178.112010@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> I'm curious why the Whiteface NYSEF roller ski results weren't posted
> on Fasterskiers.com web site. Duncan Douglas (41) from the Rochester,
> NY area won the race beating Kris Freeman by over a minute.

From: http://jenex.com/news/news.html
October 16, 2007

Duncan Douglas just plain Fast. Not aided by rocket skis: After the race on
Saturday in New York there is a lot of misleading information on the web
regarding Duncan's skis. Unfortunately I am responsible for some of the
misleading information. I was doing a rapid pace hike up Mt. Pack Monadnock
with my ski poles on Saturday when my cell phone rang. It was Zach Caldwell
calling from British Columbia. He asked all kinds of question regarding
speed of roller skis.

We had sent Duncan some V2-6600 roller skis which use 76 to 80 mm in line
skate wheels. For racing we use Hyper's fastest 80 mm wheels and that's what
I thought was shipped to Duncan. ( With fast Hyper 80mm wheels Peter Galanz
won the World Championship Roller Ski Pursuit some years ago. ) However,
Duncan did not use this setup. I had forgotten that I had asked Libby Adam's
to slow down the Hyper wheels by using our kinematic damping. Those wheels
are ultra slow so Duncan's skis were equipped with some almost twenty year
old Rollerblade wheels that were not that fast when they were new. Urethane
wheels usually get faster in the first year, but after a few years oxidation
reduces the elasticity and rebound of the material. Twenty year old wheels
are not very fast. Duncan skied like hell to beat the rest by such a large
margin.

The 6600 skis do have some advantages as with 4 wheels on each ski you get
excellent push off and the wheels bridge gaps and depressions in the road
making for a smoother ride. Fast wheels make a very large difference on
courses with flats and down hills but, they are not that much better on all
up hill courses. Over the years I have tested various skate skis on the 1.8
mile hill leading to the Waterville Valley Alpine slope. On the lower
flatter section fast wheels made a very large difference, but for the last
mile which is quite steep, there was not very much difference in the time
going up the hill using slow or fast skis. The bottom line is that Duncan
was not on very fast skis. He simply skied very fast.


Gary Jacobson
Rosendale, NY




19 Oct 2007 03:10:31
tassava
Re: Whiteface Roller Ski Results?

In case anyone's interested, I spent some time adding a few analytic
categories to the race results (men and women): time behind leader,
percentage behind leader, gap to preceding finisher. You should be
able to see it on Google Docs:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pJ7XQOHsn3vzUTLxplKqsMg

Let me know if there are problems; anyone out there can feel free to
link to it.

I'm thinking seriously about trying to get out east to try this race
next fall...

Christopher
On Oct 17, 8:42 pm, "Gary Jacobson" <gjacob...@hvc.rr.com > wrote:
> "ADK Skier" <lgs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1192394672.675178.112010@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I'm curious why the Whiteface NYSEF roller ski results weren't posted
> > on Fasterskiers.com web site. Duncan Douglas (41) from the Rochester,
> > NY area won the race beating Kris Freeman by over a minute.
>
> From:http://jenex.com/news/news.html
> October 16, 2007
>
> Duncan Douglas just plain Fast. Not aided by rocket skis: After the race on
> Saturday in New York there is a lot of misleading information on the web
> regarding Duncan's skis. Unfortunately I am responsible for some of the
> misleading information. I was doing a rapid pace hike up Mt. Pack Monadnock
> with my ski poles on Saturday when my cell phone rang. It was Zach Caldwell
> calling from British Columbia. He asked all kinds of question regarding
> speed of roller skis.
>
> We had sent Duncan some V2-6600 roller skis which use 76 to 80 mm in line
> skate wheels. For racing we use Hyper's fastest 80 mm wheels and that's what
> I thought was shipped to Duncan. ( With fast Hyper 80mm wheels Peter Galanz
> won the World Championship Roller Ski Pursuit some years ago. ) However,
> Duncan did not use this setup. I had forgotten that I had asked Libby Adam's
> to slow down the Hyper wheels by using our kinematic damping. Those wheels
> are ultra slow so Duncan's skis were equipped with some almost twenty year
> old Rollerblade wheels that were not that fast when they were new. Urethane
> wheels usually get faster in the first year, but after a few years oxidation
> reduces the elasticity and rebound of the material. Twenty year old wheels
> are not very fast. Duncan skied like hell to beat the rest by such a large
> margin.
>
> The 6600 skis do have some advantages as with 4 wheels on each ski you get
> excellent push off and the wheels bridge gaps and depressions in the road
> making for a smoother ride. Fast wheels make a very large difference on
> courses with flats and down hills but, they are not that much better on all
> up hill courses. Over the years I have tested various skate skis on the 1.8
> mile hill leading to the Waterville Valley Alpine slope. On the lower
> flatter section fast wheels made a very large difference, but for the last
> mile which is quite steep, there was not very much difference in the time
> going up the hill using slow or fast skis. The bottom line is that Duncan
> was not on very fast skis. He simply skied very fast.
>
> Gary Jacobson
> Rosendale, NY




21 Oct 2007 19:02:46
runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Re: Whiteface Roller Ski Results?

If the racers used different brands of skis, any analysis won't make
an difference. The only way to run a high-end rollerski race (which
this race is claimed to have been) is to have everyone race on the
same brand of rollerskis, with nuts and bolts checked with a gauge,