29 Jul 2004 12:41:48
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


Joe English wrote:
> cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > Joe English wrote...
> > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > You've got that backwards
> >
> > Cam
> >
> got what backwards?

Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
murder. Gun control was a response.

Cam



29 Jul 2004 22:34:35
Joe English
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control



cam.barr@beer.com wrote:

> Joe English wrote:
>
>>cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
>>
>>>Joe English wrote...
>>>We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
>>>strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
>>>You've got that backwards
>>>
>>>Cam
>>>
>>
>>got what backwards?
>
>
> Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> murder. Gun control was a response.
>
> Cam
>
ANd it did nothing to curb the high murder rate. The stricter gun
controls did nothig to stop crimes using guns. Our nation's capitol has
the some of the nations strictest gun controls in place, yet
did/does/won't do anything to stop the crimes.



30 Jul 2004 03:46:13
Adam Helberg
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


<cam.barr@beer.com > wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
>
> Joe English wrote:
> > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > Joe English wrote...
> > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > You've got that backwards
> > >
> > > Cam
> > >
> > got what backwards?
>
> Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> murder. Gun control was a response.
>
> Cam

Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in some
cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
guns there and use them elsewhere, while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.

Adam




29 Jul 2004 21:28:10
Crownfield
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

Adam Helberg wrote:
>
> <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> >
> > Joe English wrote:
> > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > You've got that backwards
> > > >
> > > > Cam
> > > >
> > > got what backwards?
> >
> > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > murder. Gun control was a response.
> >
> > Cam
>
> Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in some
> cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
> guns there and use them elsewhere,

lets look at that carefully.

you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
have you checked that out?
try buying a handgun out of state.


> while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
> everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>
> Adam


30 Jul 2004 05:23:48
Adam Helberg
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net > wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> Adam Helberg wrote:
> >
> > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> > >
> > > Joe English wrote:
> > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > > You've got that backwards
> > > > >
> > > > > Cam
> > > > >
> > > > got what backwards?
> > >
> > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> > >
> > > Cam
> >
> > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in
some
> > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
> > guns there and use them elsewhere,
>
> lets look at that carefully.
>
> you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> have you checked that out?
> try buying a handgun out of state.
>
>
> > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
> > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> >
> > Adam

If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun there
legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?

Adam




30 Jul 2004 13:41:44
Chris Guynn
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:9wjOc.2818$9Y6.276@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
<snip >

> Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not
just in some
> cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals
get the
> guns there and use them elsewhere, while the law abiding cannot get guns,
which is
> not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more
difficult for
> everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.

As evidenced by the prominence of gun related crimes in areas with strict
gun control (like Canada) near gun infested places (like America). :-)

>
> Adam
>
>




30 Jul 2004 13:43:27
Chris Guynn
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:EXkOc.2885$9Y6.642@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
<snip >

> If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy
a gun there
> legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why
not?

It's easy for someonewho lives in the area with access to guns to get one
and take it somewhere else. It is MUCH more difficult for someone from NY
city to come to Texas, purchase a gun, and then go back to NY City.

>
> Adam
>
>




30 Jul 2004 15:35:59
Dillon Pyron
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:23:48 GMT, "Adam Helberg"
<sendspamhere@yahoo.com > wrote:

>
>"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
>> Adam Helberg wrote:
>> >
>> > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
>> > >
>> > > Joe English wrote:
>> > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
>> > > > > Joe English wrote...
>> > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
>> > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
>> > > > > You've got that backwards
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cam
>> > > > >
>> > > > got what backwards?
>> > >
>> > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
>> > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
>> > > murder. Gun control was a response.
>> > >
>> > > Cam
>> >
>> > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in
>some
>> > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
>> > guns there and use them elsewhere,
>>
>> lets look at that carefully.
>>
>> you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
>> have you checked that out?
>> try buying a handgun out of state.
>>
>>
>> > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
>> > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
>> > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>> >
>> > Adam
>
>If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun there
>legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?
>
>Adam
>

Because I can't go to, say Arkansas and legally buy a handgun. And I
can't go to, say Nevada, and buy any gun (handgun or long gun).

Part of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.


30 Jul 2004 16:26:56
Adam Helberg
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Dillon Pyron" <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com > wrote in message
news:gjqkg0hle62rjqeatbvopjvdah9epo3itv@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:23:48 GMT, "Adam Helberg"
> <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> >> Adam Helberg wrote:
> >> >
> >> > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> >> > >
> >> > > Joe English wrote:
> >> > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> >> > > > > Joe English wrote...
> >> > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> >> > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> >> > > > > You've got that backwards
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Cam
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > got what backwards?
> >> > >
> >> > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> >> > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> >> > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cam
> >> >
> >> > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just
in
> >some
> >> > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get
the
> >> > guns there and use them elsewhere,
> >>
> >> lets look at that carefully.
> >>
> >> you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> >> have you checked that out?
> >> try buying a handgun out of state.
> >>
> >>
> >> > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> >> > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult
for
> >> > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> >> >
> >> > Adam
> >
> >If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun
there
> >legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?
> >
> >Adam
> >
>
> Because I can't go to, say Arkansas and legally buy a handgun. And I
> can't go to, say Nevada, and buy any gun (handgun or long gun).
>
> Part of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
> --
> dillon

OK your buddy in Texas buys 30 guns and spreads them out to his gang in NY.




30 Jul 2004 16:33:42
Adam Helberg
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net > wrote in message
news:sesOc.22040$l61.7571@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9wjOc.2818$9Y6.276@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> <snip>
>
> > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not
> just in some
> > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals
> get the
> > guns there and use them elsewhere, while the law abiding cannot get guns,
> which is
> > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more
> difficult for
> > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>
> As evidenced by the prominence of gun related crimes in areas with strict
> gun control (like Canada) near gun infested places (like America). :-)

I'm sure there are lots of guns smuggled into Canada from the US to become illegal
weapons and used in crime. And were it not for the US the Canadian gun violence would
be much lower than it is now. But it is still problematic to bring guns across the
border and pass through customs; much more difficult than taking guns from Texas to
NYC.

Adam




30 Jul 2004 10:51:08
Crownfield
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

Adam Helberg wrote:
>
> "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > >
> > > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> > > >
> > > > Joe English wrote:
> > > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > > > You've got that backwards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cam
> > > > > >
> > > > > got what backwards?
> > > >
> > > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> > > >
> > > > Cam
> > >
> > > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in
> some
> > > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
> > > guns there and use them elsewhere,
> >
> > lets look at that carefully.
> >
> > you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> > have you checked that out?
> > try buying a handgun out of state.
> >
> >
> > > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> > > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
> > > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> > >
> > > Adam
>
> If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun there
> legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?

you are loudly declaring how easy it is to do this,
and even as you do it,
you have not a teeny tiny clue about whether it is even possible.

Adam, you really need to know what the hell you are talking about
before you explain it to others.

in a fact packed essay, showing us your understanding of the applicable
laws,
tell us what laws apply to criminals buying handguns.

you will be scored on how accurate your answers are.



> Adam


30 Jul 2004 13:05:06
Joe English
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control



Adam Helberg wrote:

> "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
>
>>Adam Helberg wrote:
>>
>>><cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
>>>
>>>>Joe English wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Joe English wrote...
>>>>>>We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
>>>>>>strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
>>>>>>You've got that backwards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cam
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>got what backwards?
>>>>
>>>>Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
>>>>higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
>>>>murder. Gun control was a response.
>>>>
>>>>Cam
>>>
>>>Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in
>
> some
>
>>>cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
>>>guns there and use them elsewhere,
>>
>>lets look at that carefully.
>>
>>you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
>>have you checked that out?
>>try buying a handgun out of state.
>>
>>
>>
>>>while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
>>>not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
>>>everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>>>
>>>Adam
>
>
> If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun there
> legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?
>
> Adam
>
>
Do a little research before you state something so stupid. A criminal
cannot legally buy a gun not to mention a handgun in any state. There
have bee instances where someone would have failed the background check
got a gun, because the check wasn't finished in three days. Out of
those the ATF recover 97%. One of the guns was pointed at another
person. That gun was confiscated also.



30 Jul 2004 13:16:20
Joe English
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control



Adam Helberg wrote:

> "Dillon Pyron" <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:gjqkg0hle62rjqeatbvopjvdah9epo3itv@4ax.com...
>
>>On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:23:48 GMT, "Adam Helberg"
>><sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
>>>
>>>>Adam Helberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>><cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Joe English wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joe English wrote...
>>>>>>>>We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
>>>>>>>>strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
>>>>>>>>You've got that backwards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>got what backwards?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
>>>>>>higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
>>>>>>murder. Gun control was a response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cam
>>>>>
>>>>>Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just
>
> in
>
>>>some
>>>
>>>>>cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get
>
> the
>
>>>>>guns there and use them elsewhere,
>>>>
>>>>lets look at that carefully.
>>>>
>>>>you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
>>>>have you checked that out?
>>>>try buying a handgun out of state.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
>>>>>not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult
>
> for
>
>>>>>everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam
>>>
>>>If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun
>
> there
>
>>>legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?
>>>
>>>Adam
>>>
>>
>>Because I can't go to, say Arkansas and legally buy a handgun. And I
>>can't go to, say Nevada, and buy any gun (handgun or long gun).
>>
>>Part of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
>>--
>>dillon
>
>
> OK your buddy in Texas buys 30 guns and spreads them out to his gang in NY.

Also illegal.
>
>



30 Jul 2004 13:17:28
Joe English
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control



Adam Helberg wrote:


> I'm sure there are lots of guns smuggled into Canada from the US to become illegal
> weapons and used in crime. And were it not for the US the Canadian gun violence would
> be much lower than it is now. But it is still problematic to bring guns across the
> border and pass through customs; much more difficult than taking guns from Texas to
> NYC.
>
> Adam


And again it is the US' fault - unfucking believable - close your
fucking borders and don't let the guns in!



30 Jul 2004 18:33:11
Eric Maschke
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Joe English" <jenglish@accessusn.net > wrote in message
news:Ce-dnWJTbYYkDZfcRVn-rQ@accessus.net...
>
>
> Adam Helberg wrote:
>
>
> > I'm sure there are lots of guns smuggled into Canada from the US to
become illegal
> > weapons and used in crime. And were it not for the US the Canadian gun
violence would
> > be much lower than it is now. But it is still problematic to bring guns
across the
> > border and pass through customs; much more difficult than taking guns
from Texas to
> > NYC.
> >
> > Adam
>
>
> And again it is the US' fault - unfucking believable - close your
> fucking borders and don't let the guns in!

No different than the U.S. blaming Colombia for the cocaine problem here in
the States. The fact is that if there is a DEMAND for a product , substance,
drug etc, there will always be a supply.

IF we could get rid of every gun in the U.S. it would do nothing but open up
a big black market in gun smuggling , manufacturing and sales. Take Iraq for
instance. UN sanctions and resolutions out the ying yang. Yet somehow French
made military supplies of all kinds ended up there. What a surprise.

In Adam's utopian view of the world he has yet to apply any degree of common
sense. Like a babe in the woods..........




30 Jul 2004 18:53:34
Adam Helberg
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net > wrote in message news:410A8A8C.5FEF@cox.net...
> Adam Helberg wrote:
> >
> > "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> > > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message
news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe English wrote:
> > > > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > > > > You've got that backwards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cam
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > got what backwards?
> > > > >
> > > > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > > > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > > > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cam
> > > >
> > > > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just
in
> > some
> > > > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get
the
> > > > guns there and use them elsewhere,
> > >
> > > lets look at that carefully.
> > >
> > > you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> > > have you checked that out?
> > > try buying a handgun out of state.
> > >
> > >
> > > > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> > > > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult
for
> > > > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> >
> > If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun
there
> > legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?
>
> you are loudly declaring how easy it is to do this,
> and even as you do it,
> you have not a teeny tiny clue about whether it is even possible.
>
> Adam, you really need to know what the hell you are talking about
> before you explain it to others.
>
> in a fact packed essay, showing us your understanding of the applicable
> laws,
> tell us what laws apply to criminals buying handguns.
>
> you will be scored on how accurate your answers are.

Why don't you explain how illegal guns get to places like NYC? Are they beamed there
from outer space?




30 Jul 2004 14:38:31
ben bradlee
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:OOwOc.3399$9Y6.1810@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...

>
> Why don't you explain how illegal guns get to places like NYC? Are they
beamed there
> from outer space?

How absurd! You know there are no guns in outer space. [Wink wink.]
Illegal guns are beamed to NYC from another planet. Much like illegal
children are beamed into their mothers from sunspots and illegal aliens are
beamed into the U.S. on the magnetic waves of the Northern Lights. It's all
really very simple.




30 Jul 2004 20:17:57
Dillon Pyron
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:26:56 GMT, "Adam Helberg"
<sendspamhere@yahoo.com > wrote:

>
>"Dillon Pyron" <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:gjqkg0hle62rjqeatbvopjvdah9epo3itv@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:23:48 GMT, "Adam Helberg"
>> <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
>> >> Adam Helberg wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Joe English wrote:
>> >> > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
>> >> > > > > Joe English wrote...
>> >> > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
>> >> > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
>> >> > > > > You've got that backwards
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Cam
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > got what backwards?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
>> >> > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
>> >> > > murder. Gun control was a response.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Cam
>> >> >
>> >> > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just
>in
>> >some
>> >> > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get
>the
>> >> > guns there and use them elsewhere,
>> >>
>> >> lets look at that carefully.
>> >>
>> >> you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
>> >> have you checked that out?
>> >> try buying a handgun out of state.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
>> >> > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult
>for
>> >> > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>> >> >
>> >> > Adam
>> >
>> >If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun
>there
>> >legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?
>> >
>> >Adam
>> >
>>
>> Because I can't go to, say Arkansas and legally buy a handgun. And I
>> can't go to, say Nevada, and buy any gun (handgun or long gun).
>>
>> Part of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
>> --
>> dillon
>
>OK your buddy in Texas buys 30 guns and spreads them out to his gang in NY.
>
Strawman sale, illegal. Of course, most cars used in crimes are
either stolen or brought in from out of state.

NB. Most guns recovered in NY are stolen. Either in NY or from other
locales.
--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.


30 Jul 2004 14:09:07
Crownfield
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

Adam Helberg wrote:
>
> "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:410A8A8C.5FEF@cox.net...
> > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > >
> > > "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> > > > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message
> news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe English wrote:
> > > > > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > > > > > You've got that backwards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cam
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > got what backwards?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > > > > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > > > > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cam
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just
> in
> > > some
> > > > > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get
> the
> > > > > guns there and use them elsewhere,
> > > >
> > > > lets look at that carefully.
> > > >
> > > > you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> > > > have you checked that out?
> > > > try buying a handgun out of state.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> > > > > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult
> for
> > > > > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam
> > >
> > > If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun
> there
> > > legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?
> >
> > you are loudly declaring how easy it is to do this,
> > and even as you do it,
> > you have not a teeny tiny clue about whether it is even possible.
> >
> > Adam, you really need to know what the hell you are talking about
> > before you explain it to others.
> >
> > in a fact packed essay, showing us your understanding of the applicable
> > laws,
> > tell us what laws apply to criminals buying handguns.
> >
> > you will be scored on how accurate your answers are.
>
> Why don't you explain how illegal guns get to places like NYC?
> Are they beamed there from outer space?

"in a fact packed essay,
"showing us your understanding of the applicable laws,"
"you will be scored on how accurate your answers are."

we conclude that you know nothing.
sorry adam, on the test
you scored a 00.00 out of a possible 100.
you are now on double secret probation.


31 Jul 2004 02:02:42
Adam Helberg
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net > wrote in message news:410AB8F3.669A@cox.net...
> Adam Helberg wrote:
> >
> > "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:410A8A8C.5FEF@cox.net...
> > > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> > > > > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message
> > news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe English wrote:
> > > > > > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > > > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > > > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > > > > > > You've got that backwards
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cam
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > got what backwards?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > > > > > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > > > > > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cam
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not
just
> > in
> > > > some
> > > > > > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals
get
> > the
> > > > > > guns there and use them elsewhere,
> > > > >
> > > > > lets look at that carefully.
> > > > >
> > > > > you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> > > > > have you checked that out?
> > > > > try buying a handgun out of state.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> > > > > > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more
difficult
> > for
> > > > > > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adam
> > > >
> > > > If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a
gun
> > there
> > > > legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why
not?
> > >
> > > you are loudly declaring how easy it is to do this,
> > > and even as you do it,
> > > you have not a teeny tiny clue about whether it is even possible.
> > >
> > > Adam, you really need to know what the hell you are talking about
> > > before you explain it to others.
> > >
> > > in a fact packed essay, showing us your understanding of the applicable
> > > laws,
> > > tell us what laws apply to criminals buying handguns.
> > >
> > > you will be scored on how accurate your answers are.
> >
> > Why don't you explain how illegal guns get to places like NYC?
> > Are they beamed there from outer space?
>
> "in a fact packed essay,
> "showing us your understanding of the applicable laws,"
> "you will be scored on how accurate your answers are."
>
> we conclude that you know nothing.
> sorry adam, on the test
> you scored a 00.00 out of a possible 100.
> you are now on double secret probation

Right you've proven it. You have this incredible knowldege but it's all very profound
and very secret..




30 Jul 2004 21:16:51
Joe English
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control



Eric Maschke wrote:
> "Joe English" <jenglish@accessusn.net> wrote in message
> news:Ce-dnWJTbYYkDZfcRVn-rQ@accessus.net...
>
>>
>>Adam Helberg wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'm sure there are lots of guns smuggled into Canada from the US to
>
> become illegal
>
>>>weapons and used in crime. And were it not for the US the Canadian gun
>
> violence would
>
>>>be much lower than it is now. But it is still problematic to bring guns
>
> across the
>
>>>border and pass through customs; much more difficult than taking guns
>
> from Texas to
>
>>>NYC.
>>>
>>>Adam
>>
>>
>>And again it is the US' fault - unfucking believable - close your
>>fucking borders and don't let the guns in!
>
>
> No different than the U.S. blaming Colombia for the cocaine problem here in
> the States. The fact is that if there is a DEMAND for a product , substance,
> drug etc, there will always be a supply.
>
> IF we could get rid of every gun in the U.S. it would do nothing but open up
> a big black market in gun smuggling , manufacturing and sales. Take Iraq for
> instance. UN sanctions and resolutions out the ying yang. Yet somehow French
> made military supplies of all kinds ended up there. What a surprise.
>
> In Adam's utopian view of the world he has yet to apply any degree of common
> sense. Like a babe in the woods..........
>
>
Thanks for making my point. One difference - guns are legal cocaine is not



30 Jul 2004 21:17:29
Joe English
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control



Adam Helberg wrote:

> "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:410A8A8C.5FEF@cox.net...
>
>>Adam Helberg wrote:
>>
>>>"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
>>>
>>>>Adam Helberg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>><cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
>
>>>>>>Joe English wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Joe English wrote...
>>>>>>>>We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
>>>>>>>>strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
>>>>>>>>You've got that backwards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>got what backwards?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
>>>>>>higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
>>>>>>murder. Gun control was a response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cam
>>>>>
>>>>>Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just
>
> in
>
>>>some
>>>
>>>>>cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get
>
> the
>
>>>>>guns there and use them elsewhere,
>>>>
>>>>lets look at that carefully.
>>>>
>>>>you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
>>>>have you checked that out?
>>>>try buying a handgun out of state.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
>>>>>not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult
>
> for
>
>>>>>everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam
>>>
>>>If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun
>
> there
>
>>>legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?
>>
>>you are loudly declaring how easy it is to do this,
>>and even as you do it,
>>you have not a teeny tiny clue about whether it is even possible.
>>
>>Adam, you really need to know what the hell you are talking about
>>before you explain it to others.
>>
>>in a fact packed essay, showing us your understanding of the applicable
>>laws,
>>tell us what laws apply to criminals buying handguns.
>>
>>you will be scored on how accurate your answers are.
>
>
> Why don't you explain how illegal guns get to places like NYC? Are they beamed there
> from outer space?
>
>

Get a fucking clue



30 Jul 2004 20:02:07
Scott
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

"Joe English" <jenglish@accessusn.net > wrote in message
news:Vdqdnf7Uj5innJbcRVn-gw@accessus.net...

> Adam Helberg wrote:

> > Why don't you explain how illegal guns get to places like NYC? Are they
beamed there
> > from outer space?

Listen up, dumb-ass;

*CRIMINALS* don't obey laws. That would be why they are called "criminals",
as in "those who commit crime".

Idiocy like that which you desperately and arrogantly display here should be
illegal, but fortunately for you, such idiocy is so far only irritating.

I (and several million others) can make a gun from a door hinge, a car
antenna, a rubber band, a nail, a stick and a .22 shell (of which literally
billions exist). And I can kill you dead as shit with it, if I want to. You
sure as shit aren't going to do anything, legislate anything, or call anyone
that can stop me, if I decide that is what I want to do.

Get it yet?

I doubt it.

So, just to predict your common, stale and flaccid response, I can make the
same thing happen if you take away the .22 shell (been in production since
1857 so your chances of doing that are slim and none).

Let me boil it down to gravy for you (if that's possible, and I have my
doubts).

Black powder can be made *exactly* as it was in the early 1200's (as far as
we know);

http://footguards.tripod.com/06ARTICLES/ART28_blackpowder.htm (so you can
educate yourself and not look so fucking stupid)

Same with fulminating mercury (detonator), or if I use a flintlock (based
upon a piece of common rock), I don't even need that. And for a matchlock,
all I need is a smoldering piece of string.

The issue is not the tool. A gun is no more or less dangerous than a hammer,
or a keyboard in your case, if you place both on a kitchen table.

What makes any of them into a deadly weapon is the intent of the biological
controller.

> Get a fucking clue

He cant; and we cant buy him a clue; he thinks he already has one that we
don't.





30 Jul 2004 22:53:08
Crownfield
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

Adam Helberg wrote:
>
> "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:410AB8F3.669A@cox.net...
> > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > >
> > > "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:410A8A8C.5FEF@cox.net...
> > > > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> > > > > > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message
> > > news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe English wrote:
> > > > > > > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > > > > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > > > > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > > > > > > > You've got that backwards
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cam
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > got what backwards?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > > > > > > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > > > > > > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cam
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not
> just
> > > in
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals
> get
> > > the
> > > > > > > guns there and use them elsewhere,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lets look at that carefully.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> > > > > > have you checked that out?
> > > > > > try buying a handgun out of state.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> > > > > > > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more
> difficult
> > > for
> > > > > > > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adam
> > > > >
> > > > > If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a
> gun
> > > there
> > > > > legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why
> not?
> > > >
> > > > you are loudly declaring how easy it is to do this,
> > > > and even as you do it,
> > > > you have not a teeny tiny clue about whether it is even possible.
> > > >
> > > > Adam, you really need to know what the hell you are talking about
> > > > before you explain it to others.
> > > >
> > > > in a fact packed essay, showing us your understanding of the applicable
> > > > laws,
> > > > tell us what laws apply to criminals buying handguns.
> > > >
> > > > you will be scored on how accurate your answers are.
> > >
> > > Why don't you explain how illegal guns get to places like NYC?
> > > Are they beamed there from outer space?
> >
> > "in a fact packed essay,
> > "showing us your understanding of the applicable laws,"
> > "you will be scored on how accurate your answers are."
> >
> > we conclude that you know nothing.
> > sorry adam, on the test
> > you scored a 00.00 out of a possible 100.
> > you are now on double secret probation
>
> Right you've proven it. You have this incredible knowldege but it's all very profound
> and very secret..

you need to look for it. it is very easy to find.

not secret. actually it is all around you.
that whooossshhhing sound for the last few days
is people who did know telling you about it,
but it went waaay over your head.

what is surprising is
that you are telling people how easy is is
to illegally buy and transport firearms,
that you know nothing at all about the subject,
and you have never even made a tiny effort
to understand the subject before you explain it to others.

for you to do that is really shallow and illogical.

if you do not do your homework, you flunk. simple.
lazy people who do not know what they are talking about
do not deserve to pass.


31 Jul 2004 17:12:04
Carl Nisarel
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --

> *CRIMINALS* don't obey laws.

For the most part, they do. Criminals usually break only a
limited number of laws.

As Wright and Rossi noted, many convicted felons will comply
with gun laws.


31 Jul 2004 10:57:06
Scott
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk > wrote in message
news:Xns9537864B2B045hostlbuddha@130.133.1.4...
> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
>
> > *CRIMINALS* don't obey laws.
>
> For the most part, they do. Criminals usually break only a
> limited number of laws.

So, which laws do you consider breakable?

> As Wright and Rossi noted, many convicted felons will comply
> with gun laws.

Sure, a lot do because they don't want to go back to prison.

The other segment will use guns and commit murder because they don't want to
go back to prison.

Your arguments are not only flaccid, but ridiculous.




01 Aug 2004 17:24:28
Carl Nisarel
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --

>
> "Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in

>> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
>>
>> > *CRIMINALS* don't obey laws.
>>
>> For the most part, they do. Criminals usually break only a
>> limited number of laws.
>
> So, which laws do you consider breakable?

That's a non-sequitur.


>> As Wright and Rossi noted, many convicted felons will
>> comply with gun laws.
>
> Sure, a lot do because they don't want to go back to
> prison.

Wright & Rossi's research examined what criminals did before
they went to prison.



...


01 Aug 2004 11:57:23
Scott
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control


"Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk > wrote in message
news:Xns9538886533414hostlbuddha@130.133.1.4...
> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
>
> >
> > "Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in
>
> >> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
> >>
> >> > *CRIMINALS* don't obey laws.
> >>
> >> For the most part, they do. Criminals usually break only a
> >> limited number of laws.
> >
> > So, which laws do you consider breakable?
>
> That's a non-sequitur.

<plonk >




01 Aug 2004 19:08:21
Carl Nisarel
Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --

> <plonk>

That's the sign of someone who can't support his assertions and
would prefer to run away from reality.