28 Jul 2004 03:33:09
Von Fourche
Met My Instructor for First Time



Well, I went to the scuba shop that I'm going to take my lessons at to
pick out my mask, snorkel, fins, and boots. I had a chance to meet the
owner/instructor. I have to say that after meeting him and talking with
him I more anxious than ever to start my lessons. He was very nice and
answered all my questions. I think I spent almost two hours there picking
out the equipment and talking with him. He didn't shy away from any of my
questions. Actually, when I asked a question he just went off talking and
talking about the subject. All in a positive manner.

First he mentioned that just about everybody passes if they are willing
to put the time and effort in it and he will help his students get thru any
tough problems. But he also mentioned that he passes no one until he thinks
they know how to dive safely. Also said before he takes his students to the
open water, he makes dang sure they are ready for it. What I was surprised
to hear was that if he thinks a student is having trouble, he will let that
student fall back into another class. He mentioned one student that has
been at it for six months. As long as they are willing to make an effort
then he is willing to work with them to get thru. He also stressed safety.

I am signed up for private lessons, and he mentioned that I would be
able to go at my own pace and focus on things I might have trouble with,
which is why I signed up for private classes in the first place.

I asked him about the subject that fascinates me the most - buoyancy.
He mentioned that his students probably find mask clearing more difficult
than bcd control and buoyancy. Interesting.

Anyway, I got a mask made by Oceanic, fins by Oceanic, a snorkel made by
I don't know who, and boots made by some company called Henderson. All
these were in matching silver/gray. Those bcd's are cool. I kept looking
at them. If I was going to buy another piece of equipment right now, it
would probably be a bcd.

I get the filling this class is going to be more fun than I thought it
would be. Also, for the money I'm paying, the instructor is not only
teaching me to scuba, but introducing me into the scuba world and making me
feel very welcome. Not hard work, just lots of fun!






28 Jul 2004 04:21:21
Tom Leclaire
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time


You should have a good time in your o/w class. Don't jump into buying
gear until your class is over. Your reg set should be the next piece of
gear you buy ( your life suport system, 1st and 2nd stages, octopus,
inflater hose, gauges or computer ). This is the one piece of gear that
you should be most familiar and imtimate with. Then an exposer suit of
some sort if you don't live in an area that's warm water diving. These
two pieces of gear are thought of as life support systems, the bc
doesn't really fit into that catagory, for any-one I know.


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28 Jul 2004 04:44:05
Adam Helberg
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time


"Tom Leclaire" <Tom.Leclaire.1a36ff@forums.deeperblue.net > wrote in message
news:Tom.Leclaire.1a36ff@forums.deeperblue.net...
>
> You should have a good time in your o/w class. Don't jump into buying
> gear until your class is over. Your reg set should be the next piece of
> gear you buy ( your life suport system, 1st and 2nd stages, octopus,
> inflater hose, gauges or computer ). This is the one piece of gear that
> you should be most familiar and imtimate with. Then an exposer suit of
> some sort if you don't live in an area that's warm water diving. These
> two pieces of gear are thought of as life support systems, the bc
> doesn't really fit into that catagory, for any-one I know.
>
>
> --
> Tom Leclaire

Scuba diving involves lots of equipment and junk. As far as the order of acquiring
this collection of junk you will get just about as many opinions as there are
possible permutations. One thing's for sure: the shop where you certified is going to
try to sell you as much of this stuff as possible, and it will be awkward to buy your
stuff elsewhere if you plan to dive with them.

Adam




28 Jul 2004 05:12:04
HLAviation
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time


"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:paGNc.922$cK.505@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Tom Leclaire" <Tom.Leclaire.1a36ff@forums.deeperblue.net> wrote in
message
> news:Tom.Leclaire.1a36ff@forums.deeperblue.net...
> >
> > You should have a good time in your o/w class. Don't jump into buying
> > gear until your class is over. Your reg set should be the next piece of
> > gear you buy ( your life suport system, 1st and 2nd stages, octopus,
> > inflater hose, gauges or computer ). This is the one piece of gear that
> > you should be most familiar and imtimate with. Then an exposer suit of
> > some sort if you don't live in an area that's warm water diving. These
> > two pieces of gear are thought of as life support systems, the bc
> > doesn't really fit into that catagory, for any-one I know.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tom Leclaire
>
> Scuba diving involves lots of equipment and junk. As far as the order of
acquiring
> this collection of junk you will get just about as many opinions as there
are
> possible permutations. One thing's for sure: the shop where you certified
is going to
> try to sell you as much of this stuff as possible, and it will be awkward
to buy your
> stuff elsewhere if you plan to dive with them.
>
> Adam

OTOH, So far, the guy who runs the shop seems to be the kinda guy you'd want
to help support and stay in business. He didn't commit the main sin (IMHO)
of dive shop/training centers, and that is to require purchase of the full
kit prior to your open water class. He has spent time (granted, generally
you have plenty of time to spend in a dive shop) outside of class discussing
and answering questions. The dive business is a tough business to make it
in, if you don't support the shops you like, they won't be around to support
you.




28 Jul 2004 05:19:13
Von Fourche
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time


"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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>
> "Tom Leclaire" <Tom.Leclaire.1a36ff@forums.deeperblue.net> wrote in
message
> news:Tom.Leclaire.1a36ff@forums.deeperblue.net...
> >
> > You should have a good time in your o/w class. Don't jump into buying
> > gear until your class is over. Your reg set should be the next piece of
> > gear you buy ( your life suport system, 1st and 2nd stages, octopus,
> > inflater hose, gauges or computer ). This is the one piece of gear that
> > you should be most familiar and imtimate with. Then an exposer suit of
> > some sort if you don't live in an area that's warm water diving. These
> > two pieces of gear are thought of as life support systems, the bc
> > doesn't really fit into that catagory, for any-one I know.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tom Leclaire
>
> Scuba diving involves lots of equipment and junk. As far as the order of
acquiring
> this collection of junk you will get just about as many opinions as there
are
> possible permutations. One thing's for sure: the shop where you certified
is going to
> try to sell you as much of this stuff as possible, and it will be awkward
to buy your
> stuff elsewhere if you plan to dive with them.
>
> Adam



It's interesting that you should mention that. The instructor was so
nice that when I was walking out of the shop I was thinking if I do buy more
scuba equipment I should buy it from him to support the local dive shop (30
miles away from me.) I think I've learned from this news group that the
best policy is to rent my equipment and not buy anything more until I have
had some dives under my belt. I do have to admit that I am tempted to pay
out $300-$400 for a bcd. Those bcd's are really neat looking to me. I hear
what your saying tho about regulator first.





28 Jul 2004 05:30:33
Adam Helberg
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time


"Von Fourche" <monaco8292@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> "Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:paGNc.922$cK.505@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> > "Tom Leclaire" <Tom.Leclaire.1a36ff@forums.deeperblue.net> wrote in
> message
> > news:Tom.Leclaire.1a36ff@forums.deeperblue.net...
> > >
> > > You should have a good time in your o/w class. Don't jump into buying
> > > gear until your class is over. Your reg set should be the next piece of
> > > gear you buy ( your life suport system, 1st and 2nd stages, octopus,
> > > inflater hose, gauges or computer ). This is the one piece of gear that
> > > you should be most familiar and imtimate with. Then an exposer suit of
> > > some sort if you don't live in an area that's warm water diving. These
> > > two pieces of gear are thought of as life support systems, the bc
> > > doesn't really fit into that catagory, for any-one I know.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tom Leclaire
> >
> > Scuba diving involves lots of equipment and junk. As far as the order of
> acquiring
> > this collection of junk you will get just about as many opinions as there
> are
> > possible permutations. One thing's for sure: the shop where you certified
> is going to
> > try to sell you as much of this stuff as possible, and it will be awkward
> to buy your
> > stuff elsewhere if you plan to dive with them.
> >
> > Adam
>
>
>
> It's interesting that you should mention that. The instructor was so
> nice that when I was walking out of the shop I was thinking if I do buy more
> scuba equipment I should buy it from him to support the local dive shop (30
> miles away from me.) I think I've learned from this news group that the
> best policy is to rent my equipment and not buy anything more until I have
> had some dives under my belt. I do have to admit that I am tempted to pay
> out $300-$400 for a bcd. Those bcd's are really neat looking to me. I hear
> what your saying tho about regulator first.

I would not buy anything but the basic fins,mask,snorkel, boots and would just rent
for a while. While I said the shops pressure you to buy from them I'm merely making
an observation--something you should be aware of. I'm not totally critical of this
because the scuba business is very competitive and it is hard on local dive shops.

Adam




28 Jul 2004 05:41:03
Von Fourche
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time


"HLAviation" <caphenning@RMyahoo.com > wrote in message
news:EAGNc.16729$iK.13079@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > Scuba diving involves lots of equipment and junk. As far as the order of
> acquiring
> > this collection of junk you will get just about as many opinions as
there
> are
> > possible permutations. One thing's for sure: the shop where you
certified
> is going to
> > try to sell you as much of this stuff as possible, and it will be
awkward
> to buy your
> > stuff elsewhere if you plan to dive with them.
> >
> > Adam
>
> OTOH, So far, the guy who runs the shop seems to be the kinda guy you'd
want
> to help support and stay in business. He didn't commit the main sin (IMHO)
> of dive shop/training centers, and that is to require purchase of the full
> kit prior to your open water class. He has spent time (granted, generally
> you have plenty of time to spend in a dive shop) outside of class
discussing
> and answering questions. The dive business is a tough business to make it
> in, if you don't support the shops you like, they won't be around to
support
> you.
>
>

Tough business? Yep. I was talking with my instructor and told him I
was planning on taking dive lessons in my local city. I drove around the
streets looking for the shop and looked in the phone book, but it turns out
they closed down. I mentioned this to my instructor, and he said at one
time there were five dive shops in my local city but now none at all. His
dive shop is about 15 miles away from my city, in a smaller city, actually
town. I live in the mid-west by the way.








28 Jul 2004 14:07:41
mike gray
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time

Von Fourche wrote:


>
> Anyway, I got a mask made by Oceanic, fins by Oceanic, a snorkel made by
> I don't know who, and boots made by some company called Henderson. All
> these were in matching silver/gray. Those bcd's are cool. I kept looking
> at them. If I was going to buy another piece of equipment right now, it
> would probably be a bcd.

Son, I'm gonna give you some good advice. Print it out, hang it on the
wall, and memorize it.

Do not buy any more gear until you are very sure just what you want.
That means getting the experience to understand why you are choosing
whatever it is you are choosing. Rent, borrow, Do not buy.

Never, ever buy any gear that is "cool". The first thing, the last
thing and the only thing that counts is FUNCTION. Until you know what
sort of diving you will be doing, you will not know what what each piece
of gear should be doing for you.

When you buy the wrong gear, you are stuck with it and unless you are
wealthy, you will continue to "make do" with it.




28 Jul 2004 14:18:02
Elad Lending
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time

mike gray <scrubadub@att.net > wrote in message news:<NqONc.341218$Gx4.53713@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> Von Fourche wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Anyway, I got a mask made by Oceanic, fins by Oceanic, a snorkel made by
> > I don't know who, and boots made by some company called Henderson. All
> > these were in matching silver/gray. Those bcd's are cool. I kept looking
> > at them. If I was going to buy another piece of equipment right now, it
> > would probably be a bcd.
>
> Son, I'm gonna give you some good advice. Print it out, hang it on the
> wall, and memorize it.
>
> Do not buy any more gear until you are very sure just what you want.
> That means getting the experience to understand why you are choosing
> whatever it is you are choosing. Rent, borrow, Do not buy.
>
> Never, ever buy any gear that is "cool". The first thing, the last
> thing and the only thing that counts is FUNCTION. Until you know what
> sort of diving you will be doing, you will not know what what each piece
> of gear should be doing for you.
>
> When you buy the wrong gear, you are stuck with it and unless you are
> wealthy, you will continue to "make do" with it.

Good advice there from Mike Gray. I would add: Use the course to try
different things. There's an instructor there, so you can safely
"experiment": different sizes (of bc's), different amounts of weights,
maybe different types of wet suits. Find out what's best for you, and
get some bottom time in before rushing out to buy stuff.

Elad


30 Jul 2004 13:21:29
Michael Sutton
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time

I know it's temping to want to go out and buy all
new gear because getting into diving is exciting...

but just wait a little while. Not because you don't
need it yet, but to figure out what "you like" and
what works best for "you" and not what some body tells
you you have to have.

Some people love one line of gear and won't dive anything
but that brand, others dive another brand and love it.
Talk to people find out what they like and what works.
Along the way you'll pick up knowledge on what's
good for "you" for the type of diving that "you" do.

Also... buying the cheapest piece of crap of something
will usually find you wishing you'd bought the better
items in the first place. You'll do this typically
beause you want to save some money. In the long
run you'll often go and buy the better item,which
costs more, later. so what's happened is that you
spent twice as much as you wanted because you
bought the other item first.

So take this and figure out what works for you.
Borrow or rent items. See if your shop has an
item you want in it's rental equipment and
"try before you buy".

At the end of all this you'll be much happier
with your gear and have gained knowledge also.

mike



"Von Fourche" <monaco8292@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:<V7FNc.848$cK.303@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> Well, I went to the scuba shop that I'm going to take my lessons at to
> pick out my mask, snorkel, fins, and boots. I had a chance to meet the
> owner/instructor. I have to say that after meeting him and talking with
> him I more anxious than ever to start my lessons. He was very nice and
> answered all my questions. I think I spent almost two hours there picking
> out the equipment and talking with him. He didn't shy away from any of my
> questions. Actually, when I asked a question he just went off talking and
> talking about the subject. All in a positive manner.
>
> First he mentioned that just about everybody passes if they are willing
> to put the time and effort in it and he will help his students get thru any
> tough problems. But he also mentioned that he passes no one until he thinks
> they know how to dive safely. Also said before he takes his students to the
> open water, he makes dang sure they are ready for it. What I was surprised
> to hear was that if he thinks a student is having trouble, he will let that
> student fall back into another class. He mentioned one student that has
> been at it for six months. As long as they are willing to make an effort
> then he is willing to work with them to get thru. He also stressed safety.
>
> I am signed up for private lessons, and he mentioned that I would be
> able to go at my own pace and focus on things I might have trouble with,
> which is why I signed up for private classes in the first place.
>
> I asked him about the subject that fascinates me the most - buoyancy.
> He mentioned that his students probably find mask clearing more difficult
> than bcd control and buoyancy. Interesting.
>
> Anyway, I got a mask made by Oceanic, fins by Oceanic, a snorkel made by
> I don't know who, and boots made by some company called Henderson. All
> these were in matching silver/gray. Those bcd's are cool. I kept looking
> at them. If I was going to buy another piece of equipment right now, it
> would probably be a bcd.
>
> I get the filling this class is going to be more fun than I thought it
> would be. Also, for the money I'm paying, the instructor is not only
> teaching me to scuba, but introducing me into the scuba world and making me
> feel very welcome. Not hard work, just lots of fun!


31 Jul 2004 01:24:09
mike gray
Re: Met My Instructor for First Time

Michael Sutton wrote:

> Also... buying the cheapest piece of crap of something
> will usually find you wishing you'd bought the better
> items in the first place. You'll do this typically
> beause you want to save some money. In the long
> run you'll often go and buy the better item,which
> costs more, later. so what's happened is that you
> spent twice as much as you wanted because you
> bought the other item first.

There is absolutely no relationship between price and quality in scuba
gear. Indeed, in my experience, the relationship is inverse - the more
it costs the bigger piece of crap it is.