22 Jun 2006 07:40:29
Mermaid Diver
Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

This is my first post, so please forgive me if I am in the wrong area
or offend anyone.

I was certified 10 years back, but did not dive much. I got my
recertification last year. Since then, I got my Nitrox class and dove
off of Cozumel. I live in Southern California. As such, I will be
doing most of my diving in the channel islands eventhough my sister has
a house in Cozumel she uses one weekend out of the year.

I own all my gear. Everything is new or have not been used much. One
item I would like some advise with is my dive computer. I purchased a
console UVVATEC Prime computer by ScubaPro. I have read the manual
about five times end to end. Ironically, I am not very comfortable
using it eventhough I can maneuver it pretty well. I have taken it on
several dives. The computer seems to perform very well.

My question to you; Do I still need to complete my dive planning and
filling out the critical form after every dive? After diving, I notice
only the new divers learning or getting their certification are filling
out their dive books. I am curious if learning my computer and
understanding the concepts is sufficient. I hate writing or reading
while on a dive boat because I am so susceptible to sea sickness or
getting dizzi.

My computer appears to keep a log of my dive. Furthermore, it alerts
me if my bottom time is too long, ascent is too fast, or if I need a
deco stop etc. It really is a handy tool.

Regards and thank you for your time.



22 Jun 2006 11:45:22
Lee Bell
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Mermaid Diver wrote

> This is my first post, so please forgive me if I am in the wrong area
> or offend anyone.

You're not in the wrong place and we're a lot more likely to offend you than
you are to offend us. We tend to be rough bunch, s you'll soon realize.
Stick around long enough to learn how you fit in and you're likely to find
an awful lot of very good information here.

> One item I would like some advise with is my dive computer. I purchased
> a
> console UVVATEC Prime computer by ScubaPro. I have read the manual
> about five times end to end. Ironically, I am not very comfortable
> using it even though I can maneuver it pretty well. I have taken it on
> several dives. The computer seems to perform very well.

If you understand your dive computer and get the information you need in
order to be safe from it, you're in good shape. Comfort with using it will
come with time.

> My question to you; Do I still need to complete my dive planning and
> filling out the critical form after every dive? After diving, I notice
> only the new divers learning or getting their certification are filling
> out their dive books. I am curious if learning my computer and
> understanding the concepts is sufficient. I hate writing or reading
> while on a dive boat because I am so susceptible to sea sickness or
> getting dizzi.

Let's first dispense with the word "need," replacing it with "should."
There's very little a recreational diver needs to do, but a lot of things
they should do for various reasons. Everything following is my opinion.
Take what you like, reject what you don't.

I think it's a good idea to continue your dive planning, at least until you
get more comfortable with your new computer. By the time you're more
comfortable with it, you'll have a better idea how much planning is
appropriate for each dive. Most of us at least plan our maximum depth time.
Often as not, the depth is determined by where the bottom is and the time is
determined by what the boat operator will allow. The more complex the dive,
the more we're likely to plan. The deeper the dive is, the more likely
things like gas supply are to be important, particularly on dives where some
decompression obligation is likely. Some computers provide information on
air consumption, but none that I know of do a particularly good job of it.
A wise diver thinks about such issues before the dive starts. Planning is a
good thing, but how much planning you do is very much a matter of personal
preference and risk assessment.

Filling out a log book is a different issue. The short answer is that there
is no requirement for filling out a log book and certainly no requirement
that you do it while you're still on the boat. A log book can be handy for
a couple of things. First, and foremost in my opinion, a log book is a
history of your diving. Years from now, it's been more than 40 for me,
you're likely to appreciate the kinds of things you'll chose to record now.
Good dives, bad dives, equipment issues and everything else is part of your
history as a diver. If you don't record it, you'll lose it. Personally, I
wish I had kept a log book for all my dives. I try to now.

Depending on your certification agency, there may be other reasons to keep a
lot book. Some agencies require certain levels of experience before issuing
some certifications. While the number of dives you've logged is not a great
indication of your experience, it's all the agencies normally have to go on.
If your agency requires something like that for a course you think you might
eventually take, it's a good idea to provide for it now rather than try to
recreate it later

> My computer appears to keep a log of my dive. Furthermore, it alerts
> me if my bottom time is too long, ascent is too fast, or if I need a
> deco stop etc. It really is a handy tool.

You used the right word, "tool." A computer is a tool. Except for those
who never progress beyond the simplest of dives, a computer does not relieve
you of the need to understand what you're doing. You should not depend on
your computer to warn you when it's time for you to begin your ascent or to
warn you if you're ascending too fast. It's nice that it does, but both of
those are something you should be sufficiently aware of that you don't need
the warning. Further, keep in mind that your computer's ascent alarm means
you are ascending too fast. If you hear that alarm, you've already made a
mistake.

> Regards and thank you for your time.

You're welcome.

Lee

PS: We sure do prefer at least a first name for people here. We're a
friendly, if a bit rough, bunch and it's always nice to be able to put a
name with an e-mail handle.




22 Jun 2006 09:02:19
Al Wells
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?


Mermaid Diver wrote:
> My question to you; Do I still need to complete my dive planning and
> filling out the critical form after every dive? After diving, I notice
> only the new divers learning or getting their certification are filling
> out their dive books. I am curious if learning my computer and
> understanding the concepts is sufficient. I hate writing or reading
> while on a dive boat because I am so susceptible to sea sickness or
> getting dizzi.

First, welcome to the group. Someone will be along shortly to ask about
your attire ;-).

If you want to dive within the guidelines of traditional training,
using the computer for dives within the NDL is fine. It will keep you
at least as safe as the equations are. The problem is what if you do 1
or more dives and want to do another but something has happened to the
computer (malfunction, fell overboard, stolen, etc). If you at least
write down the times and depths of each dive, you will be able to go
back and figure out your pressure group so you can continue diving.

You will also find that because it samples your depth constantly and
calculates LOADING based on actual depths, the computer will "let" you
stay longer than the tables will and the dive you just did may be a
"deco" dive by the tables considering only your maximum depth.



22 Jun 2006 16:09:15
Ron Lee
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"Mermaid Diver" <arielbanzon@yahoo.com > wrote:

>This is my first post, so please forgive me if I am in the wrong area
>or offend anyone.

Amazing. A nice person asking about diving! I glanced through Lee's
response and can't add anything. His comments were good as usual.

Have you ever dove at Monastery Beach?

Ron Lee


22 Jun 2006 15:22:01
Carl Nisarel
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Is túisce deoch ná scéal, "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net >
rista:

> you're likely to find
> an awful lot of very good information here.

With a noise to signal ratio of 1000:1, she's not likely to see it.


--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com



22 Jun 2006 11:28:46
ben bradlee
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?


"Mermaid Diver" <arielbanzon@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1150987229.311759.115040@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> I would like some advise with my dive computer. I purchased a
> console Prime computer by ScubaPro.
>
> My question to you; Do I still need to complete my dive planning and
> filling out the critical form after every dive?
>
> My computer appears to keep a log of my dive.

If you want to keep the information permanently you will need to fill out
your dive log or download the information from the computer and complete the
dive log. Either way you are adding information to the record so the answer
is yes. The procedure necessary to capture critical information is more
time consuming without downloading from the computer. When you are writing
take frequent breaks and look out to the horizon.





22 Jun 2006 12:59:09
Popeye
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?




"Mermaid Diver" <arielbanzon@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1150987229.311759.115040@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...

> This is my first post, so please forgive me if I am in the wrong area
> or offend anyone.

Oh, no offense at all...

Welcome to Rec.scuba.

What color panties do you have on?

> I was certified 10 years back, but did not dive much. I got my
> recertification last year. Since then, I got my Nitrox class and dove
> off of Cozumel. I live in Southern California. As such, I will be
> doing most of my diving in the channel islands eventhough my sister has
> a house in Cozumel she uses one weekend out of the year.

Does she dive?

Twins, by any chance?

Just curious...

> I own all my gear. Everything is new or have not been used much. One
> item I would like some advise with is my dive computer. I purchased a
> console UVVATEC Prime computer by ScubaPro. I have read the manual
> about five times end to end. Ironically, I am not very comfortable
> using it eventhough I can maneuver it pretty well. I have taken it on
> several dives. The computer seems to perform very well.
>
> My question to you; Do I still need to complete my dive planning and
> filling out the critical form after every dive? After diving, I notice
> only the new divers learning or getting their certification are filling
> out their dive books. I am curious if learning my computer and
> understanding the concepts is sufficient. I hate writing or reading
> while on a dive boat because I am so susceptible to sea sickness or
> getting dizzi.
>
> My computer appears to keep a log of my dive. Furthermore, it alerts
> me if my bottom time is too long, ascent is too fast, or if I need a
> deco stop etc. It really is a handy tool.
>
> Regards and thank you for your time.

Seriously, you can do that stuff later, post- dive (very).

You might think of the problem from another angle, treating yourself for
the potential seasickness a little better.

The dive logging is pretty important (for future reference) until you can
make snap decisions about weight and thermal protection from experience in
all different environments.

I usually suggest logging the first 150 or so, for reference to advanced
training (Divemaster, Instructor, ect).

You may not have that intention now, but who knows.

Myself, I just download my dives, and have for years.

I assume you have the download gear for your computer?

It will only store a finite number of dives.



--
Popeye
"If one does as God does enough times, one
will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector.

www.finalprotectivefire.com

>




22 Jun 2006 09:54:34
Greg Mossman
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"Al Wells" <al.wells@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1150992139.762409.266170@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> The problem is what if you do 1
> or more dives and want to do another but something has happened to the
> computer (malfunction, fell overboard, stolen, etc). If you at least
> write down the times and depths of each dive, you will be able to go
> back and figure out your pressure group so you can continue diving.
>
> You will also find that because it samples your depth constantly and
> calculates LOADING based on actual depths, the computer will "let" you
> stay longer than the tables will and the dive you just did may be a
> "deco" dive by the tables considering only your maximum depth.

Which unfortunately renders the good suggestion of your first paragraph
moot. If my computer dies while on an intensive dive trip (dive resort or
liveaboard), I'm left with numbers such as "130 feet for 45 minutes" and the
tables would declare me dead due to all the missed deco. The idea is sound
for wrecks or constant-depth reefs (i.e., Boynton), but the only easy backup
solution for multidepth diving (walls, pinnacles) is to bring another
computer like I'm gonna do on my upcoming trip. Besides, they just recently
recalled my Suunto, so I'm mandated to dive with a backup computer until I
feel like taking it into the shop.




22 Jun 2006 09:57:46
Greg Mossman
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"Ron Lee" <nospamronlee@pcisys.net > wrote in message
news:449ac018.12808593@news.pcisys.net...

> Have you ever dove at Monastery Beach?

Monastery Beach is over 300 miles away from Southern California, sort of a
long drive for a day of shore diving.




22 Jun 2006 22:27:10
Lee Bell
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Greg Mossman wrote

>> You will also find that because it samples your depth constantly and
>> calculates LOADING based on actual depths, the computer will "let" you
>> stay longer than the tables will and the dive you just did may be a
>> "deco" dive by the tables considering only your maximum depth.
>
> Which unfortunately renders the good suggestion of your first paragraph
> moot.

Actually no. We've had this discussion before. If your computer didn't
tell you it was a deco dive before it crapped out, then a nice slow ascent
and safety stop will ensure it's not a deco dive when you reach the surface.
If you don't have a missed deco obligation, then there's at least one
repetitive dive group that you know you are at or below.

Lee




23 Jun 2006 04:03:43
mike gray
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out

Mermaid Diver wrote:

>
> My question to you; Do I still need to complete my dive planning and
> filling out the critical form after every dive? After diving, I notice
> only the new divers learning or getting their certification are filling
> out their dive books. I am curious if learning my computer and
> understanding the concepts is sufficient. I hate writing or reading
> while on a dive boat because I am so susceptible to sea sickness or
> getting dizzi.

Don't forget that yer computer logs only x number of dives, then
starts to erase the oldest.

Many old time divers do keep a log, we just don't fill it out on
the boat, and most of us have our own set of data that we keep,
not the stuff that's in the pre-printed log forms.



22 Jun 2006 21:06:10
Star
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?


Mermaid Diver wrote:
> This is my first post, so please forgive me if I am in the wrong area
> or offend anyone.

Not likely. :-)

> My computer appears to keep a log of my dive. Furthermore, it alerts
> me if my bottom time is too long, ascent is too fast, or if I need a
> deco stop etc. It really is a handy tool.
>
> Regards and thank you for your time.

What Lee said - great suggestions!

*
i'm much more than a princess but you don't have a name for it yet here
on earth.



23 Jun 2006 04:15:17
Ron Lee
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com > wrote:

>"Ron Lee" <nospamronlee@pcisys.net> wrote in message
>news:449ac018.12808593@news.pcisys.net...
>
>> Have you ever dove at Monastery Beach?
>
>Monastery Beach is over 300 miles away from Southern California, sort of a
>long drive for a day of shore diving.

Day trip yes but I have flown to that area (actually Palo Alto) to
dive in that area. It could be a weekend trip.

Ron Lee


22 Jun 2006 23:43:05
John Hanson
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:45:22 -0400, "Lee Bell"
<pleebell2@bellsouth.net > wrote in rec.scuba:

>Mermaid Diver wrote
>
>> This is my first post, so please forgive me if I am in the wrong area
>> or offend anyone.
>
>You're not in the wrong place and we're a lot more likely to offend you than
>you are to offend us. We tend to be rough bunch, s you'll soon realize.
>Stick around long enough to learn how you fit in and you're likely to find
>an awful lot of very good information here.

Unless you come up against the likes of me, right Lee:-)

>
>PS: We sure do prefer at least a first name for people here. We're a
>friendly, if a bit rough, bunch and it's always nice to be able to put a
>name with an e-mail handle.
>
Oh, face it Lee, most of you are a bunch of blowhard candy asses. You
couldn't address my questions/points so you pretended to killfile me.
So, I know have carte blanche with all of your post and you won't be
able to follow up. Of course, you can still follow up to a reply to
my post but everyone knows that is a sign of a Complete Loser.


23 Jun 2006 00:20:52
Greg Mossman
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"Ron Lee" <nospamronlee@pcisys.net > wrote in message
news:449b6aa1.28404765@news.pcisys.net...

>>Monastery Beach is over 300 miles away from Southern California, sort of a
>>long drive for a day of shore diving.
>
> Day trip yes but I have flown to that area (actually Palo Alto) to
> dive in that area. It could be a weekend trip.

But why would someone fly up to Northern California to dive when there's
much better diving in Southern California? That's like asking a Floridian
if they fly up to New Jersey to dive cold-water wrecks.




23 Jun 2006 00:24:31
Greg Mossman
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:QjImg.2029$Ju2.17@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

> Actually no. We've had this discussion before. If your computer didn't
> tell you it was a deco dive before it crapped out, then a nice slow ascent
> and safety stop will ensure it's not a deco dive when you reach the
> surface. If you don't have a missed deco obligation, then there's at least
> one repetitive dive group that you know you are at or below.

But you did have a missed deco obligation, according to the table.




23 Jun 2006 08:08:40
Lee Bell
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Greg Mossman wrote


> But why would someone fly up to Northern California to dive when there's
> much better diving in Southern California? That's like asking a Floridian
> if they fly up to New Jersey to dive cold-water wrecks.

That's in Canada, right?




23 Jun 2006 08:12:57
Lee Bell
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Greg Mossman wrote

>> Actually no. We've had this discussion before. If your computer didn't
>> tell you it was a deco dive before it crapped out, then a nice slow
>> ascent and safety stop will ensure it's not a deco dive when you reach
>> the surface. If you don't have a missed deco obligation, then there's at
>> least one repetitive dive group that you know you are at or below.

> But you did have a missed deco obligation, according to the table.

Which table? The wheel, if used to evaluate the multilevel dives you had
done, would not. Tables not designed to work with multi level dives would.
They'd be wrong. More importantly, you'd know they are wrong.

If you're not bent, your repetitive dive group is the same as it would be if
you had just completed required deco. Your next dive may have to be short,
but you can do it on a table.

Lee




23 Jun 2006 09:12:02
Greg Mossman
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:ZQQmg.22286$gv2.7551@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> Greg Mossman wrote
>
>
>> But why would someone fly up to Northern California to dive when there's
>> much better diving in Southern California? That's like asking a
>> Floridian if they fly up to New Jersey to dive cold-water wrecks.
>
> That's in Canada, right?

I think so. Besides, with all the talk of diving gravesites, who'd wanna
dive the NJ ocean? I've seen plenty of episodes of Sopranos when they're
dumping bodies out there. Must be floating around everywhere, perhaps in
thick mats resembling log jams or kelp beds.




23 Jun 2006 09:15:51
Greg Mossman
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:_UQmg.22287$gv2.16125@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

> Which table? The wheel, if used to evaluate the multilevel dives you had
> done, would not. Tables not designed to work with multi level dives
> would. They'd be wrong. More importantly, you'd know they are wrong.

I know they're wrong already. I've done plenty of dives between 71-80' well
over the 25 minutes or so my NASDS tables allow without deco, for instance.
But just because I know they're wrong, doesn't mean I'm going to violate
them at whim, making up my own profiles as I go like a DIR zealot.

> If you're not bent, your repetitive dive group is the same as it would be
> if you had just completed required deco. Your next dive may have to be
> short, but you can do it on a table.

Maybe you can, the guy who's already been bent twice. Me, I'll sit out the
rest of the day and drink to safety.




23 Jun 2006 21:53:24
Lee Bell
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Greg Mossman wrote

> Besides, with all the talk of diving gravesites, who'd wanna dive the NJ
> ocean? I've seen plenty of episodes of Sopranos when they're dumping
> bodies out there. Must be floating around everywhere, perhaps in thick
> mats resembling log jams or kelp beds.

With all the stories about needles and other drug paraphernalia washing up
on the shore, who'd want to even go into the water in NJ, even if Tony S.
hadn't dumped all those bodies.

Lee




23 Jun 2006 22:00:50
Lee Bell
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Greg Mossman wrote

> I know they're wrong already. I've done plenty of dives between 71-80'
> well over the 25 minutes or so my NASDS tables allow without deco, for
> instance. But just because I know they're wrong, doesn't mean I'm going to
> violate them at whim, making up my own profiles as I go like a DIR zealot.

"At a whim" does not describe the situation and you would not be making up
your own profile.

>> If you're not bent, your repetitive dive group is the same as it would be
>> if you had just completed required deco. Your next dive may have to be
>> short, but you can do it on a table.

> Maybe you can, the guy who's already been bent twice. Me, I'll sit out
> the rest of the day and drink to safety.

Your choice. Reverting to the tables had nothing to do with my being bent.
When I took the undeserved hit, the one which left me with no noticeable
long term effects, I was within the no deco limits of my Monitor I computer,
but apparently, not by enough. The second time, the one that left me a
permanent reminder, was a direct result of the mate on a liveaboard filling
my tanks with air instead of the nitrox I contracted for on the second day
of a 6-7 dive a day trip. If he's done it on day one, I probably never
would have known.

I don't recommend reverting to tables either, but not because it can't be
done safely. The problem with reverting to tables is that the only
repetitive dive group you are sure fits you is the most extreme group the
table has and that tends to shorten the next dive and/or extend surface
intervals. Unless it's one of those "must do" dives, I'd wait the 24 hours
too.

Lee




23 Jun 2006 22:22:08
Okidiver
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Welcome aboard. Suggest U read your manual again, talk 2 folks who have
that computer and get real comfy with it--very important tool that you need
to get comfy with. If you can't get the hang of it, sell it and buy
another.
No need filling out your logbook on the boat--do it back at the room/home.
Download capabilities for your computer are the heat and are a great place
to stash your comments. Just make sure you print them out, as dive software
isn't the most reliable stuff around.
Oh, just dive, baby.

--
Rapid Rick
"Just Dive, Baby"

"Mermaid Diver" <arielbanzon@yahoo.com > wrote in message

Ironically, I am not very comfortable
> using it eventhough I can maneuver it pretty well.

> My question to you; Do I still need to complete my dive planning and
> filling out the critical form after every dive?




23 Jun 2006 21:15:25
Greg Mossman
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net > wrote in message
news:611ng.23934$gv2.23027@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

> I don't recommend reverting to tables either, but not because it can't be
> done safely. The problem with reverting to tables is that the only
> repetitive dive group you are sure fits you is the most extreme group the
> table has and that tends to shorten the next dive and/or extend surface
> intervals. Unless it's one of those "must do" dives, I'd wait the 24
> hours too.

I've got 35 must-do dives ahead of me next week. I'm bringing two
computers.




23 Jun 2006 23:46:49
ne333ro
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?


Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:611ng.23934$gv2.23027@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> > I don't recommend reverting to tables either, but not because it can't be
> > done safely. The problem with reverting to tables is that the only
> > repetitive dive group you are sure fits you is the most extreme group the
> > table has and that tends to shorten the next dive and/or extend surface
> > intervals. Unless it's one of those "must do" dives, I'd wait the 24
> > hours too.
>
> I've got 35 must-do dives ahead of me next week. I'm bringing two
> computers.

Hmmmmmmm, I've never been on a "must do" dive.



24 Jun 2006 04:18:06
Lee Bell
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

ne333ro wrote

>> I've got 35 must-do dives ahead of me next week. I'm bringing two
>> computers.

> Hmmmmmmm, I've never been on a "must do" dive.

Then you are independently wealthy and your time is your own or you're not
traveling to the right places to dive.




24 Jun 2006 07:30:17
ne333ro
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Lee Bell wrote:
> ne333ro wrote
>
> >> I've got 35 must-do dives ahead of me next week. I'm bringing two
> >> computers.
>
> > Hmmmmmmm, I've never been on a "must do" dive.
>
> Then you are independently wealthy and your time is your own or you're not
> traveling to the right places to dive.

Neither actually. I just think that getting in the mindset that there
is such a thing as a "must do" dive is a good way to end up in trouble.
I'm willing to thumb any dive, at any time, for any reason. I also
won't jump all over a buddy who calls a dive for any reason, even a
reason I don't agree with. That doesn't mean however, that I won't go
solo.



24 Jun 2006 11:16:59
Greg Mossman
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

"ne333ro" <ne333ro@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1151159417.760824.8920@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> Neither actually. I just think that getting in the mindset that there
> is such a thing as a "must do" dive is a good way to end up in trouble.
> I'm willing to thumb any dive, at any time, for any reason. I also
> won't jump all over a buddy who calls a dive for any reason, even a
> reason I don't agree with. That doesn't mean however, that I won't go
> solo.

If you're gonna nitpick like that, fine. They're not "must" do dives,
they're "better do them unless something is really, really wrong" dives. If
my ears are so plugged that diving is sure to explode my head, I'll thumb
the dive. If I have a concussion, lose a limb, or am in a coma, I'll thumb
the dive. If the boat thumbs the dive due to conditions, I'll thumb the
dive instead of mutiny.

But they're "must do" in the sense that I'm not going to sit out if I have a
teeny gear malfunction, the conditions are rough and I'm seasick, or, like
you, if my buddy thumbs the dive. There are dives that one can always do
again, and then there are dives that one probably will never get the chance
to do again. The latter sort of dives are the least likely to get thumbed
by me unless there's a damn good reason.




24 Jun 2006 20:53:08
Dillon Pyron
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out the form after every dive?

Thus spake John Hanson <jhanson@northernlinks.com > :

>On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:45:22 -0400, "Lee Bell"
><pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in rec.scuba:
>
>>Mermaid Diver wrote
>>
>>> This is my first post, so please forgive me if I am in the wrong area
>>> or offend anyone.
>>
>>You're not in the wrong place and we're a lot more likely to offend you than
>>you are to offend us. We tend to be rough bunch, s you'll soon realize.
>>Stick around long enough to learn how you fit in and you're likely to find
>>an awful lot of very good information here.
>
>Unless you come up against the likes of me, right Lee:-)
>
>>
>>PS: We sure do prefer at least a first name for people here. We're a
>>friendly, if a bit rough, bunch and it's always nice to be able to put a
>>name with an e-mail handle.
>>
>Oh, face it Lee, most of you are a bunch of blowhard candy asses. You
>couldn't address my questions/points so you pretended to killfile me.
>So, I know have carte blanche with all of your post and you won't be
>able to follow up. Of course, you can still follow up to a reply to
>my post but everyone knows that is a sign of a Complete Loser.

Damn John, you just proved Carl right. That, sir, is no mean feat.
--
dillon

JAFO


25 Jun 2006 06:53:06
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Le_fant=F4me_du
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out

Lee Bell a écrit :

You should not depend on
> your computer to warn you when it's time for you to begin your ascent or to
> warn you if you're ascending too fast.

Well, I spent 15 minutes with a manta ray at North Elphinstone reef (red
sea) 3 weeks ago. I shooted and followed it in between 40 and 15 meters,
doing a yoyo dive that could have brought me to the Marsa Alam deco
chamber. I was happy to hear my Aladin Prime "too fast ascent" alert. In
some circumstances you don't feel your ears anymore...
You just get higher and higher from the depth and deeper and deeper from
the surface.
Some pictures from one of my "underwater-yo-yo" fellows, Dominique, here:
http://homepage.mac.com/antonydom/PhotoAlbum70.html

By the way : excellent computer and it's deco program is not as
deco-demanding as Suunto's. You decide.

olivier






27 Jun 2006 11:22:21
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Le_fant=F4me_du
Re: Dive computer all I need or do I need to continue filling out

Al Wells a écrit :
The problem is what if you do 1
> or more dives and want to do another but something has happened to the
> computer (malfunction, fell overboard, stolen, etc). If you at least
> write down the times and depths of each dive, you will be able to go
> back and figure out your pressure group so you can continue diving.
>

The solution to a possible computer crash is to keep your diving-buddy
unchanged for the day... You will then have a second computer with the
same day's log.


> You will also find that because it samples your depth constantly and
> calculates LOADING based on actual depths, the computer will "let" you
> stay longer than the tables will and the dive you just did may be a
> "deco" dive by the tables considering only your maximum depth.
>

In that case, if you change of buddy, you can choose the maximum non
deco time allowed at the maximum depth of your computer-crash dive and
apply it when using the tables during the next dive.
In those conditions, find a buddy will be pretty difficult!!!

Since I do deco (this doesn't explain my poor english!!!) -I go CMAS
rather than Padi but have both certifications- I do use two calculation
systems: my uwatec plus another computer.
Another good trick : dive Nitrox with air-feeded buddies and don't even
tell your computer about your overdose of oxygen... A 7 days
diving-cruise is worth 4 dives a day and requires this kind of
"conservative behaviour".

Good bubbles to you
Olivier