31 Jul 2006 21:47:11
nemo_outis
Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

Still waiting for confirmation from better sources but Kuwait News reports
that Hezbollah claims to have destroyed an Israeli warship (SAAR 4.5 fast
attack missile boat with crew of 53) off the coast of Tyre.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=892335

We'll have to wait and see if this is really true.

Regards,



31 Jul 2006 14:53:21
Mike
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

> Still waiting for confirmation from better sources but Kuwait News reports
> that Hezbollah claims to have destroyed an Israeli warship (SAAR 4.5 fast
> attack missile boat with crew of 53) off the coast of Tyre.
>
> http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=892335
>
> We'll have to wait and see if this is really true.
>
> Regards,

Even a blind nut gets a squirrel every now and then!

:)

Interesting that hezbollah is actually attacking military targets for
once. Well, twice maybe ... that news article can only come up with
two military targets in the past 2 1/2 weeks.

-Mike K.



31 Jul 2006 14:56:24
Grey Mouser West
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


nemo_outis wrote:
> Still waiting for confirmation from better sources but Kuwait News reports
> that Hezbollah claims to have destroyed an Israeli warship (SAAR 4.5 fast
> attack missile boat with crew of 53) off the coast of Tyre.
>
> http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=892335
>
> We'll have to wait and see if this is really true.
>
> Regards,

Why do you buy into this propaganda? Hezbollah caused the slaughter.
It is absurd for them to claim that they are taking revenge for the
very thing they caused.



31 Jul 2006 14:58:08
Mike
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

Gotta love how, accordingto that article, the majority of the
casualties at Qana were women and children.

Hezbollah, shooting from behind the skirts of women...pieces of shit!
They are totally responsible for any loss of innocent life at Qana.

-Mike K.



31 Jul 2006 16:33:02
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

On 31 Jul 2006 14:58:08 -0700, "Mike" <mkorneck@nd.edu > wrote:

>Gotta love how, accordingto that article, the majority of the
>casualties at Qana were women and children.
>
>Hezbollah, shooting from behind the skirts of women...pieces of shit!
>They are totally responsible for any loss of innocent life at Qana.

so apparently you haven't yet figured out who is invading whom...

Hal

>
>-Mike K.


31 Jul 2006 16:19:11
Grey Mouser West
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


hal@nospam.org wrote:
> On 31 Jul 2006 14:58:08 -0700, "Mike" <mkorneck@nd.edu> wrote:
>
> >Gotta love how, accordingto that article, the majority of the
> >casualties at Qana were women and children.
> >
> >Hezbollah, shooting from behind the skirts of women...pieces of shit!
> >They are totally responsible for any loss of innocent life at Qana.
>
> so apparently you haven't yet figured out who is invading whom...


Wrong Hal. That isn't disputed. The part all the terrorist
apologetics seem to miss is when Hezbollah fires rockets at Israeli
civilians and then hides behind Lebanese civilians.



31 Jul 2006 18:52:27
Mike Sigman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


<hal@nospam.org > wrote in message
news:381tc2pkdi5hmtp6kokiaofim0bke2r0cv@4ax.com...
> On 31 Jul 2006 14:58:08 -0700, "Mike" <mkorneck@nd.edu> wrote:
>
>>Gotta love how, accordingto that article, the majority of the
>>casualties at Qana were women and children.
>>
>>Hezbollah, shooting from behind the skirts of women...pieces of shit!
>>They are totally responsible for any loss of innocent life at Qana.
>
> so apparently you haven't yet figured out who is invading whom...
>

Yeah.... sort of like how the US "invaded" Germany in World War II, dipshit.
If Hal and Nemo'd had their way, the US and FDR would have been up on war
crimes charges. The saddest thing Hal and Nemo can imagine is the US
winning a war. The happiest things Hal and Nemo can imagine is Americans,
but not their own families, getting killed.

Mike




01 Aug 2006 01:16:46
nemo_outis
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net > wrote in
news:TMidnQTzqdxcOFPZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@bresnan.com:

>
> <hal@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:381tc2pkdi5hmtp6kokiaofim0bke2r0cv@4ax.com...
>> On 31 Jul 2006 14:58:08 -0700, "Mike" <mkorneck@nd.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>Gotta love how, accordingto that article, the majority of the
>>>casualties at Qana were women and children.
>>>
>>>Hezbollah, shooting from behind the skirts of women...pieces of shit!
>>>They are totally responsible for any loss of innocent life at Qana.
>>
>> so apparently you haven't yet figured out who is invading whom...
>>
>
> Yeah.... sort of like how the US "invaded" Germany in World War II,
> dipshit. If Hal and Nemo'd had their way, the US and FDR would have
> been up on war crimes charges. The saddest thing Hal and Nemo can
> imagine is the US winning a war. The happiest things Hal and Nemo can
> imagine is Americans, but not their own families, getting killed.
>
> Mike



There are a number of things the Allies did, such as Dresden and
Hiroshima which were war crimes.

I do not wish to see the US win a war. I do not wish to see the US lose
a war. I do not wish to see the US fight a war.

Nor anyone else for that matter. The deaths of Americans, Vietnamese,
Iraqis, Lebanese, and so many others are tragedies. But tragedies made
by men, tragedies that could have been avoided.

And to that end I spend some energy on one of the strongest mainsprings
of such war tragedies: US foreign policy.

Regards,



31 Jul 2006 20:24:56
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


> so apparently you haven't yet figured out who is invading whom...

so apparently you have not figured out why.




31 Jul 2006 21:48:09
Mark Goldberg
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

nemo_outis wrote:

> Nor anyone else for that matter. The deaths of Americans, Vietnamese,
> Iraqis, Lebanese, and so many others are tragedies. But tragedies made
> by men, tragedies that could have been avoided.

And that's why you cheer for Hezballah, who enslave and cut off
genital.... and that's why the 1.5 million cambodians who were
slaughtered by you marxists got such thorough consideration, before and
after the slaughters, because trajedies could have been avoided- much
like the 110 million killed and all those gulaged by your thoughtfulness.

Yes..... your thoughtfulness.

Go post something about sexual perversion and stop perverting everything
else for a change.

Mark


31 Jul 2006 21:26:17
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


>> Yeah.... sort of like how the US "invaded" Germany in World War II,
>> dipshit. If Hal and Nemo'd had their way, the US and FDR would have
>> been up on war crimes charges. The saddest thing Hal and Nemo can
>> imagine is the US winning a war. The happiest things Hal and Nemo can
>> imagine is Americans, but not their own families, getting killed.
>>
>> Mike
>
>
>
> There are a number of things the Allies did, such as Dresden and
> Hiroshima which were war crimes.

Oh what a crock. You are really are a moron. And you have the audaicty to
question my scholarship. Japan had already issued orders that if the US
invaded all the allied POWs were to be killed immediately. Some 400,000 of
them. I suggest you get the book " Prisoners of the Japanese and read it.
Not to mention that allied and American casualties would have been horrific
in an invasion of Japan. Stephen Amrose even gave the figure and how the
figure was measured. America had already lost 92,000 lives in the Pacific
and Japan 1.5 million. (When you fight to win a war, particularly a world
war, there is no such thing as a Khofi Anus's proportional response. That is
like saying if someone runs at you with a knife your self defense ought to
be pulling your knife and not shooting the bastard between the eyes. )There
were plenty of good military reasons for bombing Dresden too. In fact I have
a book on it in my library.
The fire bombings of Japan killed more than the atom bomb. And before you
cry over those perhaps you need to read " The Rape of Nanking." Not to
mention the Japanese military ruling council voted three to three not to end
the war after Hiroshima. They tied. It took another bomb and the
intervention of the Emperor to end the war. I dont think I need to mention
how the Germans operated a war of annihilation and concentration camps so
sorry no apologies for bombing Berlin either.
It is a good thing you were not in charge of Canada during WW II you would
be doing the goose step for sure. Your knowledge of WW II history sucks.
>
> I do not wish to see the US win a war. I do not wish to see the US lose
> a war. I do not wish to see the US fight a war.
>
> Nor anyone else for that matter. The deaths of Americans, Vietnamese,
> Iraqis, Lebanese, and so many others are tragedies. But tragedies made
> by men, tragedies that could have been avoided.

Right and I guess you think tolerating the gulags, concentration camps,
genocide, oppresive dictators, and slavery is A OK. Another words, you see
no value in resisting evil which makes you a facilitator of it. Sorry your
feel good fantasy polly anna world does not exist and never will.
I am quite sure you would have been with your sorry ass 70,000 French
Canadian soldiers that refused to fight in WW II.

> And to that end I spend some energy on one of the strongest mainsprings
> of such war tragedies: US foreign policy.

What you spend you energies on is spewing inane bullshit propaganda from
your poisoned mind.




31 Jul 2006 22:31:30
Mark Goldberg
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

nemo_outis wrote:
>
> And to that end I spend some energy on one of the strongest mainsprings
> of such war tragedies: Hezballah

Yes- permit me to add the correct word there. Just like your boy
Chimpsky- the world class marxist revisionist.... just like yourself, a
revisionist of right and wrong, of immoral and moral, of hatred, and
kindness.

You are such a piece of bovine fertilizer- and I repeat, your criminal
support of homicidists, and ennabling murderers in a just world, would
have you swinging from the end of a rope.

And Chimpsky, who hates so pathologically and so well.... too

Mark


31 Jul 2006 20:46:53
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:48:09 -0400, Mark Goldberg
<msgoldberg@optonline.net > wrote:

>nemo_outis wrote:
>
>> Nor anyone else for that matter. The deaths of Americans, Vietnamese,
>> Iraqis, Lebanese, and so many others are tragedies. But tragedies made
>> by men, tragedies that could have been avoided.
>
>And that's why you cheer for Hezballah, who enslave and cut off
>genital.... and that's why the 1.5 million cambodians who were
>slaughtered by you marxists got such thorough consideration, before and
>after the slaughters, because trajedies could have been avoided- much
>like the 110 million killed and all those gulaged by your thoughtfulness.
>
>Yes..... your thoughtfulness.
>
>Go post something about sexual perversion and stop perverting everything
>else for a change.

coming from a person who supports a religion that condones ritual
genital mutilation of infants. Talk about archaic and barbaric.

Hal

>
>Mark


31 Jul 2006 20:47:32
Grey Mouser West
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


hal@nospam.org wrote:

<snip >
> coming from a person who supports a religion that condones ritual
<lies sniped >


Hal you moron it isn't like that. Try to remember that you live in a
culture that supports both circumcision and toddler ear piercing.



01 Aug 2006 09:40:20
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


>
> coming from a person who supports a religion that condones ritual
> genital mutilation of infants. Talk about archaic and barbaric.

Gee you sure do remind of that saying it is sometimes better to keep your
mouth shut and be thought a fool than opening it and proving that you are
one.
Now go consult a physician and then pay a long visit to a mental health
practioner.




01 Aug 2006 09:47:00
Mike Sigman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9811C41F94774abcxyzcom@204.153.244.170...
> "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote in
> news:TMidnQTzqdxcOFPZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@bresnan.com:
>
>
> And to that end I spend some energy on one of the strongest mainsprings
> of such war tragedies: US foreign policy.


Gee... think of the "foreign policies" of the European countries like
France, England, etc., and show us how they're superior..... given that
they've led us straight into 2 world wars, couldn't contain the Serb/Muslim
conflicts, have done nothing to fix the Africa problem, haven't done a
fucking thing about Korea, China, the Muslims, etc., problems. Instead of
complaining, show us what the fuck Canada has done besides complain about
the US. *Everyone* is good about complaining about the US.... but they
can't seem to do anything else. Love the way "diplomacy" by the EU has
contained the Iran problem.... not. Piss and moan, Gerald.... but that
doesn't mean that you and your country aren't basically impotent.

Mike




01 Aug 2006 10:56:04
hal@nospam.org
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:24:56 -0500, "Herbert Cannon"
<hcannon18@cox.net > wrote:

>
>> so apparently you haven't yet figured out who is invading whom...
>
>so apparently you have not figured out why.
>

I know why. Supposedly because two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped,
which would be easier to fake than Hitlers faking an assault on a
German outpost by Poles who were really Germans dressed in Polish
uniforms.

Any confirmation, or even the desire to confirm the reports from
Israel? Why do you automatically believe everything from the Israeli
propaganda machine?

Hal



01 Aug 2006 10:53:06
hal@nospam.org
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:47:00 -0600, "Mike Sigman"
<mikesigman@bresnan.net > wrote:

>
>"nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9811C41F94774abcxyzcom@204.153.244.170...
>> "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote in
>> news:TMidnQTzqdxcOFPZnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@bresnan.com:
>>
>>
>> And to that end I spend some energy on one of the strongest mainsprings
>> of such war tragedies: US foreign policy.
>
>
>Gee... think of the "foreign policies" of the European countries like
>France, England, etc., and show us how they're superior..... given that
>they've led us straight into 2 world wars,

France and England led us into 2 world wars? It was fascism and
fanatical nationalism that led us into two world wars dipshit. Just
like fascism and nationalism is leading us into the third.

Difference is 90% of the world's population is going to die in the
third.

> couldn't contain the Serb/Muslim
>conflicts, have done nothing to fix the Africa problem, haven't done a
>fucking thing about Korea, China, the Muslims, etc., problems. Instead of
>complaining, show us what the fuck Canada has done besides complain about
>the US. *Everyone* is good about complaining about the US.... but they
>can't seem to do anything else. Love the way "diplomacy" by the EU has
>contained the Iran problem.... not. Piss and moan, Gerald.... but that
>doesn't mean that you and your country aren't basically impotent.
>

Ironic, since you would agree with everything Pierre states, another
Canadian. So obviously it has nothing to do with nationality , rather
who is willing to tow the mindless fascist drone line.

Hal

>Mike
>



01 Aug 2006 10:29:25
Mike
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

> Any confirmation, or even the desire to confirm the reports from
> Israel? Why do you automatically believe everything from the Israeli
> propaganda machine?

I for one do not, but my good buddy, Nemo told me that he believes the
infraction was originally across the israeli border.

Most of the "neutral" arab states also claim that Hezbollah kidnapped
he two Israeli's.

Why do you automatically believe the silliest most unbelievable aspect
on every topic?

-Mike K.

P.S. Please show me an al-jazeera link where Hezbollah leaders
apologize for the killing of innocent Israelis.



01 Aug 2006 11:54:10
wwd
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net > wrote in message
news:AMqdne3_af306lLZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>
> Instead of complaining, show us what the fuck Canada has done besides
> complain about the US. *Everyone* is good about complaining about the
> US.... but they can't seem to do anything else.

You mean, besides making major contributions to WW1 and WW2, both
several years before the US got involved? It never ceases to piss me
off that some Americans get upset at Canada for not immediately
getting involved in the Iraq war, when it took the US years to get
involved in some of the wars we were in at the start :(

As well, we're currently in Afghanistan (you know, where the Taliban
was sheltering OBL).

Though I agree that some Canadians have a pretty sickening
anti-American bias (though no more than some democrats in the US
itself), and we should be doing more. I just hate the hypocracy of
complaining about how slow we are to get going.




01 Aug 2006 12:15:16
hal@nospam.org
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

On 1 Aug 2006 10:29:25 -0700, "Mike" <mkorneck@nd.edu > wrote:

>> Any confirmation, or even the desire to confirm the reports from
>> Israel? Why do you automatically believe everything from the Israeli
>> propaganda machine?
>
>I for one do not, but my good buddy, Nemo told me that he believes the
>infraction was originally across the israeli border.
>
>Most of the "neutral" arab states also claim that Hezbollah kidnapped
>he two Israeli's.
>
>Why do you automatically believe the silliest most unbelievable aspect
>on every topic?

because I understand how political propaganda machines work.

>
>-Mike K.
>
>P.S. Please show me an al-jazeera link where Hezbollah leaders
>apologize for the killing of innocent Israelis.

I don't really care if they didn't nor even care to go look, because
even if I did I know you would just dismiss it as lies. And if they
did not, all that means is the Muslims are not nearly as good at lying
as the Israelis are.

Hal



01 Aug 2006 12:01:15
travisgod@aol.cominyrface
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

> France and England led us into 2 world wars? It was fascism and
> fanatical nationalism that led us into two world wars dipshit. Just
> like fascism and nationalism is leading us into the third.
>
> Difference is 90% of the world's population is going to die in the
> third.

God-willing, you will be one of them.

Trav



01 Aug 2006 14:25:41
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


>> Instead of complaining, show us what the fuck Canada has done besides
>> complain about the US. *Everyone* is good about complaining about the
>> US.... but they can't seem to do anything else.
>
> You mean, besides making major contributions to WW1 and WW2, both
> several years before the US got involved? It never ceases to piss me
> off that some Americans get upset at Canada for not immediately
> getting involved in the Iraq war, when it took the US years to get
> involved in some of the wars we were in at the start :(

Well there you go. You are just a bunch of warmongering troublemakers. Knew
it all along. Jumped right in did'nt you. Could not pass up a good fight.
No wonder they had to take your guns away.

> As well, we're currently in Afghanistan (you know, where the Taliban
> was sheltering OBL).

Yup and your countryman Nemo is donating to the terrorist that are shooting
at his own soldiers and cheering for the Taliban.
Seriously, glad you are there. I served with some Canadian Black Watch
troops years ago. Good soldiers. Their Sergeant Major was a WW II vet. Very
impressive guy. Almost as crazy as the Aussies. Got drunk in their NCO club
( they did'nt tell me that they only served double shots) . Thought I was
going to have to fight one of the sgts because I asked if they had Canadian
club. He was a tough looking nut. Might have whipped my ass; but I had my
first shirt and Sgt Peg with me ( sgt peg had been a guerilla in the
Phillipines for 3 years).
>
> Though I agree that some Canadians have a pretty sickening
> anti-American bias (though no more than some democrats in the US
> itself),

Well you got a point there a lot of Democraps thinking hating the country
they live in and rinning it down all the time is patriotic

and we should be doing more. I just hate the hypocracy of
> complaining about how slow we are to get going.
Thats OK the Hezbos are going to stick a rocket up your ass one day and that
will speed you up.





01 Aug 2006 14:26:49
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


>
> I know why. Supposedly because two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped,
> which would be easier to fake than Hitlers faking an assault on a
> German outpost by Poles who were really Germans dressed in Polish
> uniforms.

Nope you still dont.





01 Aug 2006 14:27:43
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


> I don't really care if they didn't nor even care to go look, because
> even if I did I know you would just dismiss it as lies. And if they
> did not, all that means is the Muslims are not nearly as good at lying
> as the Israelis are.

You gotta be a cartoon character. You cannot be real.




01 Aug 2006 13:16:15
Mike
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

> >Most of the "neutral" arab states also claim that Hezbollah kidnapped
> >he two Israeli's.
> >
> >Why do you automatically believe the silliest most unbelievable aspect
> >on every topic?
>
> because I understand how political propaganda machines work.

So you are refuting the official Saudi Arabian statement that
Hezbollah initiated the latest conflict?


> >P.S. Please show me an al-jazeera link where Hezbollah leaders
> >apologize for the killing of innocent Israelis.
>
> I don't really care if they didn't nor even care to go look, because
> even if I did I know you would just dismiss it as lies. And if they
> did not, all that means is the Muslims are not nearly as good at lying
> as the Israelis are.
>
> Hal

You don't care? Then why did you even bring it up in the first place?
Man o man...

So to sum up ...the two kings of copy-paste, Nemo and Hal, cannot
provide a source that shows a leader of Hezbollah expressing remorse
over the loss of innocent jewish lives.

Figured as much...

-Mike K.



01 Aug 2006 13:19:39
Pierre Honeyman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


Mike wrote:

> So to sum up ...the two kings of copy-paste, Nemo and Hal, cannot
> provide a source that shows a leader of Hezbollah expressing remorse
> over the loss of innocent jewish lives.

Puh-lease! First they have to find some innocent jews!

Pierre



01 Aug 2006 14:43:58
wwd
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"Herbert Cannon" <hcannon18@cox.net > wrote in message
news:UUNzg.72666$fG3.51660@dukeread09...

> Well there you go. You are just a bunch of warmongering troublemakers.
> Knew it all along. Jumped right in did'nt you. Could not pass up a good
> fight. No wonder they had to take your guns away.

They haven't got our guns yet :)
In fact, they're probably going to close down the registry (which
is what all the fuss is about).

>
>> As well, we're currently in Afghanistan (you know, where the Taliban
>> was sheltering OBL).
>
> Yup and your countryman Nemo is donating to the terrorist that are
> shooting at his own soldiers and cheering for the Taliban.

Yeah, we've got a few too many of that type. The funny thing is,
even most Muslims I know hate the Taliban and the like, and
think Sharia law is horrible (which is why they left the middle east
in the first place). But you get folks like Nemo who stick up for
a system which most of the folks who've lived in hate.

> Seriously, glad you are there. I served with some Canadian Black Watch
> troops years ago. Good soldiers. Their Sergeant Major was a WW II vet.
> Very impressive guy. Almost as crazy as the Aussies. Got drunk in their
> NCO club ( they did'nt tell me that they only served double shots) .
> Thought I was going to have to fight one of the sgts because I asked if
> they had Canadian club. He was a tough looking nut. Might have whipped my
> ass; but I had my first shirt and Sgt Peg with me ( sgt peg had been a
> guerilla in the Phillipines for 3 years).

I've noticed that most folks who've done time in uniform (as opposed
to hidding behind civilians), no matter what the uniform, turn out to
be pretty stand up guys.

>> Though I agree that some Canadians have a pretty sickening
>> anti-American bias (though no more than some democrats in the US
>> itself),
>
> Well you got a point there a lot of Democraps thinking hating the country
> they live in and rinning it down all the time is patriotic

Yup. Every country needs constructive criticism from its citizens.
But when did it become fashionable to show how progressive you
were by hating everything about your country, right or wrong?
I think a bit of travelling to distant parts would do wonders for
a lot of people ... give them a sense of just how good we have
it (and I don't just mean materially).

>
>> and we should be doing more. I just hate the hypocracy of
>> complaining about how slow we are to get going.
> Thats OK the Hezbos are going to stick a rocket up your ass one day and
> that will speed you up.

Probably what'll take, unfortunately. But there's still a willingness
to fight under all the easy "someone else's problem" attitude that
most Canadian's have, even if it only comes out in hockey games
and bar fights.




01 Aug 2006 14:31:03
hal@nospam.org
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:26:49 -0500, "Herbert Cannon"
<hcannon18@cox.net > wrote:

>
>>
>> I know why. Supposedly because two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped,
>> which would be easier to fake than Hitlers faking an assault on a
>> German outpost by Poles who were really Germans dressed in Polish
>> uniforms.
>
>Nope you still dont.
>

Please explain, since the cited reason from the Israelis was the
kidnapped soldiers. So now you are creating your own reasons?

Hal

>



01 Aug 2006 15:50:36
Mike Sigman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com > wrote in message
news:12cv5a735ia5uf5@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:AMqdne3_af306lLZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>
>> Instead of complaining, show us what the fuck Canada has done besides
>> complain about the US. *Everyone* is good about complaining about the
>> US.... but they can't seem to do anything else.
>
> You mean, besides making major contributions to WW1 and WW2, both
> several years before the US got involved? It never ceases to piss me
> off that some Americans get upset at Canada for not immediately
> getting involved in the Iraq war, when it took the US years to get
> involved in some of the wars we were in at the start :(


You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were not given
over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime. My uncle fought in the
CRAF, as did other Americans. Quit worrying about the US. Why don't you
worry that 90% of England was for unilateral disarmament prior to World War
II and refused to act against Hitler. As Churchill noted, it was England's
sorry performance, due to public pressure, that ultimately led into a war
that cost more than 20 million lives. How many British liberals leap up and
admit they were wrong? None. How many act like they nobly bore through the
war brought on them by the Nazis, never mentioning that it (along with
France) was a world-class fuck-up that was so set on "peace at any price"?


>
> As well, we're currently in Afghanistan (you know, where the Taliban
> was sheltering OBL).

So is Japan. How large is the Canadian contingent, BTW????


>
> Though I agree that some Canadians have a pretty sickening
> anti-American bias (though no more than some democrats in the US
> itself), and we should be doing more. I just hate the hypocracy of
> complaining about how slow we are to get going.

Too late. Chretien and the liberal Canadian press have pretty much fixed a
lot of American attitudes toward Canada for at least another generation.
The only fortunate thing is that the liberal American press dutifully tries
to not report how many bad things Canada has done just to stick it to the
US. ;^)


Mike




01 Aug 2006 18:07:40
Mark Goldberg
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

hal@nospam.org wrote:

>
> coming from a person who supports a religion that condones ritual
> genital mutilation of infants. Talk about archaic and barbaric.
>
You're too stupid for anyone's good.....

right where you belong.

Mark


01 Aug 2006 18:08:35
Mark Goldberg
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

Herbert Cannon wrote:

>>coming from a person who supports a religion that condones ritual
>>genital mutilation of infants. Talk about archaic and barbaric.
>
>
> Gee you sure do remind of that saying it is sometimes better to keep your
> mouth shut and be thought a fool than opening it and proving that you are
> one.
> Now go consult a physician and then pay a long visit to a mental health
> practioner.
>
>

Hal's living proof of something a professor said... 'some people are
born stupid, others spend a life working at it'

Mark


01 Aug 2006 18:24:06
Mark Goldberg
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

hal@nospam.org wrote:


>
> I know why. Supposedly because two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped,
> which would be easier to fake than Hitlers faking an assault on a
> German outpost by Poles who were really Germans dressed in Polish
> uniforms.

Because you half wit, hezballah has attacked multiple times across the
border into Israel, blown up some civilians, some soldiers, kidnapped,
attempted to kidnap and has bragged of their capability, and trained and
built for just such a purpose. None of that nazi breakfast program
bullshit is worth squat that you claim for them. They are a totalitarian
terrorist army, that kills disbelievers, that trains people to be
remorseless killers for them and to that end.... by their own
statements, to kill jews.
It's the shia's tradition for 1350 yrs, and now, in modern times, well,
they're newly enthused- killing em' all has new vibrancy and meaning for
them.

That's why the 700 million they used to build the underground bunkers
and all those armaments, means they're just a useless force that ran a
country into the ground. And anyone in that country who says that truth,
is a dead person. Just like Hariri was a dead person. Just like Gemayel
was a dead person in 83' for wanting to sign a real peace treaty with
Israel- they killed him. Finished all that, to make a war on Israel, as
they will do and never stop doing- by their own stated purposes and
teachings to anyone who can read.

They invaded, and finally it was even to the leftist government of
Israel- enough.

And now they're what.... faking bombed out buildings with dead and
crying crying, we are so helpless, look at us....

The bloody murderers that they are.

Mark


01 Aug 2006 22:24:25
nemo_outis
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

"wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com > wrote in
news:12cvf8l7bf4o595@corp.supernews.com:

>> Yup and your countryman Nemo is donating to the terrorist that are
>> shooting at his own soldiers and cheering for the Taliban.


Please be so good as to tell me to whom I am supposedly donating. I look
forward to your rampant speculation substituting for knowledge.

Hint: I am not a injudicious or imprudent man and I haven't said :-)

Regards,


01 Aug 2006 22:30:47
nemo_outis
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net > wrote in
news:0rydnTFr2KM-UVLZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@bresnan.com:

>
> "wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com> wrote in message
> news:12cv5a735ia5uf5@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote in message
>> news:AMqdne3_af306lLZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>
>>> Instead of complaining, show us what the fuck Canada has done
>>> besides complain about the US. *Everyone* is good about complaining
>>> about the US.... but they can't seem to do anything else.
>>
>> You mean, besides making major contributions to WW1 and WW2, both
>> several years before the US got involved? It never ceases to piss me
>> off that some Americans get upset at Canada for not immediately
>> getting involved in the Iraq war, when it took the US years to get
>> involved in some of the wars we were in at the start :(
>
>
> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were not
> given over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.


No, Canada was not a "member of the Empire" in WW 2.

As ever, your head is up your arse, and you shoot from the hip without
bothering to check readily ascertainable facts. Canada shed the last
vestiges of dependence on Britain with the 1931 Statute of Westminster.

Not that I give a flying fuck about Canada or any other State, mind you,
but I do get annoyed by arseholes like you who are too lazy to check out
the facts.

Regards,





01 Aug 2006 16:51:17
wwd
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net > wrote in message
news:0rydnTFr2KM-UVLZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>
> "wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com> wrote in message
> news:12cv5a735ia5uf5@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote in message
>> news:AMqdne3_af306lLZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>
>>> Instead of complaining, show us what the fuck Canada has done besides
>>> complain about the US. *Everyone* is good about complaining about the
>>> US.... but they can't seem to do anything else.
>>
>> You mean, besides making major contributions to WW1 and WW2, both
>> several years before the US got involved? It never ceases to piss me
>> off that some Americans get upset at Canada for not immediately
>> getting involved in the Iraq war, when it took the US years to get
>> involved in some of the wars we were in at the start :(
>
>
> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were not given
> over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.

No, we didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's. Not the same
thing in the Parlimentary system. Canada had a right to go to war
or stay out of it after WW1, and even in WW1 had the right to send
soldiers or not as it saw fit. We sent about 500,000 to each, out of
a population of about 20 million.

> My uncle fought in the CRAF, as did other Americans. Quit worrying about
> the US. Why don't you worry that 90% of England was for unilateral
> disarmament prior to World War II and refused to act against Hitler. As
> Churchill noted, it was England's sorry performance, due to public
> pressure, that ultimately led into a war that cost more than 20 million
> lives. How many British liberals leap up and admit they were wrong?
> None. How many act like they nobly bore through the war brought on them
> by the Nazis, never mentioning that it (along with France) was a
> world-class fuck-up that was so set on "peace at any price"?

I served in the Canadian armed forces ... you're telling me the dangers
in unilateral disarmament? The problem is that Canada has the same
attitude now as the US had in the 1930's - it's someone elses problem.
I know that's wrong, but you only have to look at your own history to
know that sometimes people need a boot in the rear to wake up.

> So is Japan. How large is the Canadian contingent, BTW????

About 5000. Considering we've 1/10th your population, that'd
be the same as if you had 50,000 ... having said that, I agree
it's not enough.

>> Though I agree that some Canadians have a pretty sickening
>> anti-American bias (though no more than some democrats in the US
>> itself), and we should be doing more. I just hate the hypocracy of
>> complaining about how slow we are to get going.
>
> Too late. Chretien and the liberal Canadian press have pretty much fixed
> a lot of American attitudes toward Canada for at least another generation.

Could be. There's no shortage of Canuckistan comments from down
south either, which haven't helped Canadian attitudes towards the
US. Maybe Canadians just have longer memories than Americans;
even Chretien (who arguably was our worst ever PM) was among
the first to send troops to Afghanistan to root out the Taliban and OBL,
the 9-11 planes were allowed to land in Canadian airports at a time
when your own airports weren't willing to take a chance ... and yet
at the first disagreement (Iraq) we're villains. And yet it took the
US 3 years to get into WW1 and 2 to get into WW2.

> The only fortunate thing is that the liberal American press dutifully
> tries to not report how many bad things Canada has done just to stick it
> to the US. ;^)

Well, what with the mad cow debacle and the softwood lumber dispute,
even most pro-US Canadians think the US sometimes does things just
to stick it to us too. And yet we never retaliated by putting a tariff
on oil (we're one of your biggest suppliers), despite some of our
parties suggesting it, simply because it'd be taking advantage of
a neighbor to do so.




01 Aug 2006 16:58:22
Mike Sigman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9812A7FB4FB38abcxyzcom@204.153.244.170...
> "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote in
> news:0rydnTFr2KM-UVLZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@bresnan.com:
>
>>
>> "wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com> wrote in message
>> news:12cv5a735ia5uf5@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote in message
>>> news:AMqdne3_af306lLZnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>>
>>>> Instead of complaining, show us what the fuck Canada has done
>>>> besides complain about the US. *Everyone* is good about complaining
>>>> about the US.... but they can't seem to do anything else.
>>>
>>> You mean, besides making major contributions to WW1 and WW2, both
>>> several years before the US got involved? It never ceases to piss me
>>> off that some Americans get upset at Canada for not immediately
>>> getting involved in the Iraq war, when it took the US years to get
>>> involved in some of the wars we were in at the start :(
>>
>>
>> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were not
>> given over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.
>
>
> No, Canada was not a "member of the Empire" in WW 2.
>
> As ever, your head is up your arse, and you shoot from the hip without
> bothering to check readily ascertainable facts. Canada shed the last
> vestiges of dependence on Britain with the 1931 Statute of Westminster.
>

Here, you dumb fuck:

The Canada Act 1982 is an Act of Parliament passed by the British Parliament
that severed all remaining constitutional and legislative ties between the
United Kingdom and Canada, in a process referred to as "patriation". It
contains the text of the Constitution Act, 1982, in both of Canada's
official languages, in Schedule B, and a translation of the main body into
French in Schedule A, making it the only British Act of Parliament to be in
both English and French.




01 Aug 2006 17:02:25
Mike Sigman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com > wrote in message
news:12cvmnbblals690@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:0rydnTFr2KM-UVLZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>>>>
>> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were not
>> given over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.
>
> No, we didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's. Not the same
> thing in the Parlimentary system. Canada had a right to go to war
> or stay out of it after WW1, and even in WW1 had the right to send
> soldiers or not as it saw fit. We sent about 500,000 to each, out of
> a population of about 20 million.
>


I didn't say Canada was legally beholden to go to war for England and I
didn't mean that. But Canada was still a member of the empire with the full
paperwork not being shed until 1982. My point being that for you to say the
US stayed out while Canada went into WWII to aid England doesn't convey the
disparity in the situations. Other than that, good post. ;^)

Mike




01 Aug 2006 23:07:16
nemo_outis
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

"wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com > wrote in
news:12cvmnbblals690@corp.supernews.com:

>> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were not
>> given over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.
>
> No, we didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's.


Nice try, but wrong.

The key provision of the Statute of Westminster (1931) is:

"No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the commencement
of this Act shall extend or be deemed to extend, to a Dominion as part of
the law of that Dominion, unless it is expressly declared in that Act that
that Dominion has requested, and consented to, the enactment thereof."

After Westminster GB had NO authority, however residual, over Canada. The
"repatriation of the Constitution" was merely an administrative
accomodation by GB fully in accordance with the Statute of Westinster
(i.e., as spelled out above).

Regards,



02 Aug 2006 03:56:21
nemo_outis
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

"nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com > wrote in
news:Xns9811A0966E648abcxyzcom@204.153.244.170:

> Still waiting for confirmation from better sources but Kuwait News
> reports that Hezbollah claims to have destroyed an Israeli warship
> (SAAR 4.5 fast attack missile boat with crew of 53) off the coast of
> Tyre.
>
> http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=892335
>
> We'll have to wait and see if this is really true.
>
> Regards,


Israel continues to deny that Hezbollah hit one of its missile ships.

Olmert visited an Israeli missile ship today. Photo ops galore.

But oddly enough, it was the INS Eilat he visited, NOT a SAAR 4.5 missile
boat Hezbollah claims to have hit. Hardly proof, but curious, very curious
- if he wanted to assure the Israeli people rather than deceive everyone
why not visit the ship in question?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87578&page=5

Regards,



01 Aug 2006 23:11:22
wwd
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9812AE2AB25CEabcxyzcom@204.153.244.170...
> "wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com> wrote in
> news:12cvmnbblals690@corp.supernews.com:
>
>>> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were not
>>> given over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.
>>
>> No, we didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's.
>
>
> Nice try, but wrong.
>
> The key provision of the Statute of Westminster (1931) is:
>
> "No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the commencement
> of this Act shall extend or be deemed to extend, to a Dominion as part of
> the law of that Dominion, unless it is expressly declared in that Act that
> that Dominion has requested, and consented to, the enactment thereof."
>
> After Westminster GB had NO authority, however residual, over Canada. The
> "repatriation of the Constitution" was merely an administrative
> accomodation by GB fully in accordance with the Statute of Westinster
> (i.e., as spelled out above).

If you read what you yourself posted, you'll note that as I said, we
didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's, and that we had
full rights before that (which you didn't bother quoting from my comments).
So, what part of what I said was wrong?




02 Aug 2006 05:38:49
nemo_outis
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

"wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com > wrote in
news:12d0cvvbcobnf98@corp.supernews.com:

>
> "nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9812AE2AB25CEabcxyzcom@204.153.244.170...
>> "wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com> wrote in
>> news:12cvmnbblals690@corp.supernews.com:
>>
>>>> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were
>>>> not given over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.
>>>
>>> No, we didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's.
>>
>>
>> Nice try, but wrong.
>>
>> The key provision of the Statute of Westminster (1931) is:
>>
>> "No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the
>> commencement of this Act shall extend or be deemed to extend, to a
>> Dominion as part of the law of that Dominion, unless it is expressly
>> declared in that Act that that Dominion has requested, and consented
>> to, the enactment thereof."
>>
>> After Westminster GB had NO authority, however residual, over Canada.
>> The "repatriation of the Constitution" was merely an administrative
>> accomodation by GB fully in accordance with the Statute of Westinster
>> (i.e., as spelled out above).
>
> If you read what you yourself posted, you'll note that as I said, we
> didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's, and that we had
> full rights before that (which you didn't bother quoting from my
> comments). So, what part of what I said was wrong?


I should have been more careful in distinguishing between you, who can
think, and Mike, who cannot. In the heat of the moment I mistook your
reference to repatriation of the constitution in the 80s as supportive of
Mike's indefensible position that Canada continued to be "a member of the
empire" (something he did indeed say shortly thereafter, based on his
misunderstanding of the significance of the repatriation of the
constitution).

Regards,




02 Aug 2006 10:02:20
Mike Sigman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9812AE2AB25CEabcxyzcom@204.153.244.170...
> "wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com> wrote in
> news:12cvmnbblals690@corp.supernews.com:
>
>>> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were not
>>> given over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.
>>
>> No, we didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's.
>
>
> Nice try, but wrong.
>
> The key provision of the Statute of Westminster (1931) is:
>
> "No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the commencement
> of this Act shall extend or be deemed to extend, to a Dominion as part of
> the law of that Dominion, unless it is expressly declared in that Act that
> that Dominion has requested, and consented to, the enactment thereof."
>
> After Westminster GB had NO authority, however residual, over Canada. The
> "repatriation of the Constitution" was merely an administrative
> accomodation by GB fully in accordance with the Statute of Westinster
> (i.e., as spelled out above).

Yeah, but there was no point in doing it if it didn't bind Canada as part of
the British Empire, so my statement stands. So much for you historical
knowledge that you're now trying to tap dance around.

Mike Sigman




02 Aug 2006 10:04:46
Mike Sigman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9812F08D1EE3Babcxyzcom@204.153.244.170...
> "wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com> wrote in
> news:12d0cvvbcobnf98@corp.supernews.com:
>
>>
>> "nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9812AE2AB25CEabcxyzcom@204.153.244.170...
>>> "wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com> wrote in
>>> news:12cvmnbblals690@corp.supernews.com:
>>>
>>>>> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were
>>>>> not given over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.
>>>>
>>>> No, we didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice try, but wrong.
>>>
>>> The key provision of the Statute of Westminster (1931) is:
>>>
>>> "No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the
>>> commencement of this Act shall extend or be deemed to extend, to a
>>> Dominion as part of the law of that Dominion, unless it is expressly
>>> declared in that Act that that Dominion has requested, and consented
>>> to, the enactment thereof."
>>>
>>> After Westminster GB had NO authority, however residual, over Canada.
>>> The "repatriation of the Constitution" was merely an administrative
>>> accomodation by GB fully in accordance with the Statute of Westinster
>>> (i.e., as spelled out above).
>>
>> If you read what you yourself posted, you'll note that as I said, we
>> didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's, and that we had
>> full rights before that (which you didn't bother quoting from my
>> comments). So, what part of what I said was wrong?
>
>
> I should have been more careful in distinguishing between you, who can
> think, and Mike, who cannot. In the heat of the moment I mistook your
> reference to repatriation of the constitution in the 80s as supportive of
> Mike's indefensible position that Canada continued to be "a member of the
> empire" (something he did indeed say shortly thereafter, based on his
> misunderstanding of the significance of the repatriation of the
> constitution).

Gee, there's online history articles that disagree with you, Gerald, written
by professional scholars. Wasn't much point in saying that all ties to
England were finally severed in 1982 if the 1931 thing did it, was there?
Wonder why they had that foolish ceremony? Moron.

Mike Sigman




02 Aug 2006 16:17:08
nemo_outis
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net > wrote in
>> After Westminster GB had NO authority, however residual, over Canada.
>> The "repatriation of the Constitution" was merely an administrative
>> accomodation by GB fully in accordance with the Statute of Westinster
>> (i.e., as spelled out above).
>
> Yeah, but there was no point in doing it if it didn't bind Canada as
> part of the British Empire, so my statement stands. So much for you
> historical knowledge that you're now trying to tap dance around.


You've conclusively proved that you can be stupider harder and faster than
I can correct you.

Regards,



02 Aug 2006 09:24:28
travisgod@aol.cominyrface
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

> Israel continues to deny that Hezbollah hit one of its missile ships.
>
> Olmert visited an Israeli missile ship today. Photo ops galore.
>
> But oddly enough, it was the INS Eilat he visited, NOT a SAAR 4.5 missile
> boat Hezbollah claims to have hit. Hardly proof, but curious, very curious
> - if he wanted to assure the Israeli people rather than deceive everyone
> why not visit the ship in question?
>
> http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87578&page=5
>
> Regards,

Why do you CARE?

Hezbollah is armed with Iranian antiship missiles. You yourself were
on here ballyhooing a year or two ago about how Iran had Sunburn and
even Onyx missile systems from Russia, which are capable of striking
warships BVR. Hezbollah has obviously acquired light-deployment
anti-ship missiles from Iran capable of striking ships within visual
range. A wire-guided anti-ship missile useful in the types of ranges
found in the region would not be that sophisticated a thing to develop,
seriously.

Either way, again, why does Hezbollah need anti-ship missiles if their
purpose is to defend against Israeli aggression? And, why do they need
a slew of rockets whose only purpose is to be fired "somewhere at a
city"? Israel is not going to conduct an amphibious invasion of
Lebanon. Hezbollah's main arsenal is intended to be used to hit
Israeli civilian population centers, a fact they've bragged about.
Much talk has been conducted about how "deeply" they can reach into
Israel. What DEFENSIVE purpose does this type of weaponry serve? What
MILITARY purpose? Does Hezbollah intend to strike Israeli military
facilities or Tel Aviv?

Were Hezbollah intending to pursue purely military aims, they would not
have single-use weaponry like Katyushas raining down on Haifa
indiscriminantly.

Trav



02 Aug 2006 09:33:30
Pierre Honeyman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


nemo_outis wrote:
> Still waiting for confirmation from better sources but Kuwait News reports
> that Hezbollah claims to have destroyed an Israeli warship (SAAR 4.5 fast
> attack missile boat with crew of 53) off the coast of Tyre.
>
> http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=892335
>
> We'll have to wait and see if this is really true.

Looks to be not true. Israel denies it, and nobody except for
Hezbollah has reported it.

Pierre



02 Aug 2006 10:42:55
wwd
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net > wrote in message
news:1_-dnfpOcdPgUU3ZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>
> "nemo_outis" <abc@xyz.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9812AE2AB25CEabcxyzcom@204.153.244.170...
>> "wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com> wrote in
>> news:12cvmnbblals690@corp.supernews.com:
>>
>>>> You were a member of the empire during WWII!!! Full rights were not
>>>> given over to Canada until I think the 1980's sometime.
>>>
>>> No, we didn't repatriate our constitution until the 1980's.
>>
>>
>> Nice try, but wrong.
>>
>> The key provision of the Statute of Westminster (1931) is:
>>
>> "No Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom passed after the commencement
>> of this Act shall extend or be deemed to extend, to a Dominion as part of
>> the law of that Dominion, unless it is expressly declared in that Act
>> that
>> that Dominion has requested, and consented to, the enactment thereof."
>>
>> After Westminster GB had NO authority, however residual, over Canada.
>> The
>> "repatriation of the Constitution" was merely an administrative
>> accomodation by GB fully in accordance with the Statute of Westinster
>> (i.e., as spelled out above).
>
> Yeah, but there was no point in doing it if it didn't bind Canada as part
> of the British Empire, so my statement stands. So much for you historical
> knowledge that you're now trying to tap dance around.

Except by that time the British Empire was a voluntary association ...
think NATO rather than the Roman Empire. But there certainly were
strong emotional ties to Britain in English Canada at that time (though
not in Quebec ... in fact Quebec wanted no ties to France either,
and had no interest in fighting in WW2 or getting involved in any
overseas conflict).




02 Aug 2006 10:48:23
wwd
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net > wrote in message
news:9PadncHHeNKOUE3ZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@bresnan.com...

> Gee, there's online history articles that disagree with you, Gerald,
> written by professional scholars. Wasn't much point in saying that all
> ties to England were finally severed in 1982 if the 1931 thing did it, was
> there? Wonder why they had that foolish ceremony? Moron.

Trudeau certainly thought the symbolism of bringing home the constitution
was important, though if you read period articles you'll see a lot of
folks thought it was in practice irrelevant - including the majority of
Quebecers interestingly enough, though Quebec had almost no use
for Great Britain.

However, I think I'm in shock that there's a conversation about Canadian
constitution in RMA ... if that's not a sign of the coming apocolypse
then I don't know what is. You seem to be informed on a wide
range of topics, Mike, I suspect not even half of Canada knows
much about things like the BNA act and the like.




02 Aug 2006 12:59:20
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


>>> Yup and your countryman Nemo is donating to the terrorist that are
>>> shooting at his own soldiers and cheering for the Taliban.
>
>
> Please be so good as to tell me to whom I am supposedly donating. I look
> forward to your rampant speculation substituting for knowledge.

Why dont your remember bragging that you donated money to terrorist
organizations. When I asked you refused to say because you said that the
Canadian govt might outlaw such donations and you did not want them looking
at you. Are you now saying you lied? As ususal?

> Hint: I am not a injudicious or imprudent man and I haven't said :-)
>
Right just a " dangerous" one. Hint look at your post on or around April 5,
2004. Surprise!!




02 Aug 2006 13:07:41
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


>> Well there you go. You are just a bunch of warmongering troublemakers.
>> Knew it all along. Jumped right in did'nt you. Could not pass up a good
>> fight. No wonder they had to take your guns away.
>
> They haven't got our guns yet :)

But they are after them hard and they got your pistololas.

> In fact, they're probably going to close down the registry (which
> is what all the fuss is about).
>
Yup I read that blessing of a more conservative govt.

>>> As well, we're currently in Afghanistan (you know, where the Taliban
>>> was sheltering OBL).
>>
>> Yup and your countryman Nemo is donating to the terrorist that are
>> shooting at his own soldiers and cheering for the Taliban.
>
> Yeah, we've got a few too many of that type. The funny thing is,
> even most Muslims I know hate the Taliban and the like, and
> think Sharia law is horrible (which is why they left the middle east
> in the first place). But you get folks like Nemo who stick up for
> a system which most of the folks who've lived in hate.

Which is why they came to Canada.
>
>> Seriously, glad you are there. I served with some Canadian Black Watch
>> troops years ago. Good soldiers. Their Sergeant Major was a WW II vet.
>> Very impressive guy. Almost as crazy as the Aussies. Got drunk in their
>> NCO club ( they did'nt tell me that they only served double shots) .
>> Thought I was going to have to fight one of the sgts because I asked if
>> they had Canadian club. He was a tough looking nut. Might have whipped my
>> ass; but I had my first shirt and Sgt Peg with me ( sgt peg had been a
>> guerilla in the Phillipines for 3 years).
>
> I've noticed that most folks who've done time in uniform (as opposed
> to hidding behind civilians), no matter what the uniform, turn out to
> be pretty stand up guys.
>
>>> Though I agree that some Canadians have a pretty sickening
>>> anti-American bias (though no more than some democrats in the US
>>> itself),
>>
>> Well you got a point there a lot of Democraps thinking hating the country
>> they live in and rinning it down all the time is patriotic
>
> Yup. Every country needs constructive criticism from its citizens.
> But when did it become fashionable to show how progressive you
> were by hating everything about your country, right or wrong?
> I think a bit of travelling to distant parts would do wonders for
> a lot of people ... give them a sense of just how good we have
> it (and I don't just mean materially).
>
Funny I just talked to a friend that got back from Italy. He traveled with
Scots and Irish and said everyone was very nice to him.
Yes, I would love to see Nemo and Hal go live in one of these Islamic
republics they support so unreservedly. That would be interesting.

>>> and we should be doing more. I just hate the hypocracy of
>>> complaining about how slow we are to get going.
>> Thats OK the Hezbos are going to stick a rocket up your ass one day and
>> that will speed you up.
>
> Probably what'll take, unfortunately. But there's still a willingness
> to fight under all the easy "someone else's problem" attitude that
> most Canadian's have, even if it only comes out in hockey games
> and bar fights.

Three attitudes you will always find are: Let someone else do it, What's in
it for me, and Something for nothing.




02 Aug 2006 12:59:28
wwd
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"Herbert Cannon" <hcannon18@cox.net > wrote in message
news:MR5Ag.72790$fG3.62389@dukeread09...

> But they are after them hard and they got your pistololas.

They've had the pistols for awhile. Stupid, but I'm kind of a
rifle man myself, so it doesn't really bother me as much as it
might. Living in the country makes handguns less useful than
rifles/shotguns.

>> In fact, they're probably going to close down the registry (which
>> is what all the fuss is about).
>>
> Yup I read that blessing of a more conservative govt.

True, though funnily enough the left wing (NDP) provincial gov'ts
are against the gun registry as well - refused to prosecute anyone
charged under it, and several of their elected officials made public
statements that they had unregistered rifles ... they were never
prosecuted. It's largely an urban/rural split in Canada rather than
left/right ... with the rural people on the side of the angels (ie guns).


> Funny I just talked to a friend that got back from Italy. He traveled with
> Scots and Irish and said everyone was very nice to him.
> Yes, I would love to see Nemo and Hal go live in one of these Islamic
> republics they support so unreservedly. That would be interesting.

I've found that as well, people are people whereever you go. But
some systems work better than others, and like you say, Islamic
Republics look a lot different from the inside than the outside. I
especially think leftwing women who support them should travel
there ...

> Three attitudes you will always find are: Let someone else do it, What's
> in it for me, and Something for nothing.

Yup, and they're very common at the moment. But people can
be woken up ... look at the pre-WW2 attitude in the US and
Great Britain for an example.




02 Aug 2006 21:51:34
nemo_outis
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

"Herbert Cannon" <hcannon18@cox.net > wrote in
news:MR5Ag.72790$fG3.62389@dukeread09:

> Yes, I would love to see Nemo and Hal go live in one of these Islamic
> republics they support so unreservedly. That would be interesting.


I've done a lot of work in Syria - I consulted on the design and
construction of much of the gas pipeline system there.

Great place, great people. The ruins at Palmyra are magnificent. As is the
Krac des Chevaliers, and the souk in Damascus (fascinating to see a
salvaged lintel on a relatively new building bearing an ancient Greek
inscription).

And Petra in Jordan is breathtaking - the site is gigantic - far larger
than you might think from Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Yup, I'm happy to spend time in Arabs lands. And my wife is off on a
hiking trip with some of her friends in Morocco this fall.

Me? I'm especially eager to see Sanaa in Yemen. Some day soon :-)

Regards,



02 Aug 2006 17:08:48
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


>
> Me? I'm especially eager to see Sanaa in Yemen. Some day soon :-)

I said live there not visit.




02 Aug 2006 22:24:59
nemo_outis
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?

"Herbert Cannon" <hcannon18@cox.net > wrote in news:Pn9Ag.72810$fG3.7137
@dukeread09:

>
>>
>> Me? I'm especially eager to see Sanaa in Yemen. Some day soon :-)
>
> I said live there not visit.


It is difficult for me to fully convey how very, very little I care what
you say.

Regards,



02 Aug 2006 19:26:23
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


>
> It is difficult for me to fully convey how very, very little I care what
> you say.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Oh my, oh my. Oh dear me,oh dear me. You
really hurt my feelings. Just such a crushing blow to them.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. I will just have to go have a good sob. Mail you the
snot hanky after I finish to make you feel bad, hoople head. It will be in
the letter bomb.
You sure bluster and blither.
And since you are obviously the silly south end of a north bound jackass -
ditto




02 Aug 2006 20:08:19
Herbert Cannon
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


>>
>>>
>>> I know why. Supposedly because two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped,
>>> which would be easier to fake than Hitlers faking an assault on a
>>> German outpost by Poles who were really Germans dressed in Polish
>>> uniforms.
>>
>>Nope you still dont.
>>
>
> Please explain, since the cited reason from the Israelis was the
> kidnapped soldiers. So now you are creating your own reasons?

No you are creating fiction.




03 Aug 2006 15:38:46
Mike Sigman
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"wwd" <wwd@sometime.someplace.com > wrote in message
news:12d1lqsn3kf5939@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net> wrote in message
> news:9PadncHHeNKOUE3ZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>
>> Gee, there's online history articles that disagree with you, Gerald,
>> written by professional scholars. Wasn't much point in saying that all
>> ties to England were finally severed in 1982 if the 1931 thing did it,
>> was there? Wonder why they had that foolish ceremony? Moron.
>
> Trudeau certainly thought the symbolism of bringing home the constitution
> was important, though if you read period articles you'll see a lot of
> folks thought it was in practice irrelevant - including the majority of
> Quebecers interestingly enough, though Quebec had almost no use
> for Great Britain.
>
> However, I think I'm in shock that there's a conversation about Canadian
> constitution in RMA ... if that's not a sign of the coming apocolypse
> then I don't know what is. You seem to be informed on a wide
> range of topics, Mike, I suspect not even half of Canada knows
> much about things like the BNA act and the like.

Well, you know the old "know your enemy" stuff..... ;^))))

I told you my Uncle George went up, as did a number of Americans, and
trained with the CRAF. He then went to England and flew for the RAF. Told
me a cute story about strafing a wedding in France that was all Germans;
waited 3 days and went back to strafe the funerals. Nice guy, old George.
Sorta mean, though. ;)

Mike




03 Aug 2006 16:33:30
wwd
Re: Hezbollah Destroys Israeli Warship?


"Mike Sigman" <mikesigman@bresnan.net > wrote in message
news:w7mdnZ4qbPtJ8U_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@bresnan.com...

>> However, I think I'm in shock that there's a conversation about Canadian
>> constitution in RMA ... if that's not a sign of the coming apocolypse
>> then I don't know what is. You seem to be informed on a wide
>> range of topics, Mike, I suspect not even half of Canada knows
>> much about things like the BNA act and the like.
>
> Well, you know the old "know your enemy" stuff..... ;^))))
>
> I told you my Uncle George went up, as did a number of Americans, and
> trained with the CRAF. He then went to England and flew for the RAF.
> Told me a cute story about strafing a wedding in France that was all
> Germans; waited 3 days and went back to strafe the funerals. Nice guy,
> old George. Sorta mean, though. ;)

Well, at least he took his chances ... if he flew for the RAF it must
have been before the US entered the war. Still lots of Luftwaffe
in the air at that time, and they had good planes and good pilots.
Gotta give him full marks for courage ... even if he had a mean side :)