27 Nov 2003 05:00:35
Andy Dremeaux
passing 7 siteswap

I am finding it near impossible to building a siteswap for a standard
7-pass (2 people) using the notation i am familiar with. that is:
<3p|3p ><3|3> = shower

8 doubles is as such:
<5p|5p ><3|3>

i cannot for the life of me find a way to express 7 doubles or
singles, and i guess any other odd-numbered pattern.
i have a feeling, because of the stuttered nature of the pattern, that
the siteswap is something long and ugly filled with many 2-"throws."

anyone have any ideas?
-andy


27 Nov 2003 08:11:38
JiBe
Re: passing 7 siteswap

Andy Dremeaux wrote:

> I am finding it near impossible to building a siteswap for a standard
> 7-pass (2 people) using the notation i am familiar with. that is:
> <3p|3p><3|3> = shower

http://www.passingdb.com/articles.php?id=3
might help.

Come back here for more questions if this was not clear enough.

JiBe



27 Nov 2003 10:20:50
Andy Dremeaux
Re: passing 7 siteswap

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 08:11:38 +0100, JiBe
<gibee@club-internet.fr.nospam > wrote:

>Andy Dremeaux wrote:
>
>> I am finding it near impossible to building a siteswap for a standard
>> 7-pass (2 people) using the notation i am familiar with. that is:
>> <3p|3p><3|3> = shower
>
>http://www.passingdb.com/articles.php?id=3
>might help.
>
>Come back here for more questions if this was not clear enough.
>
>JiBe
>

so yeah, that had what would be expected, that with current passing
siteswap standard, 7 crossing and 7 straight are the same siteswap.
obviously this is a problem. so either we overhaul the whole system
(who's with me!) or we attempt to figure it out with what we have. im
sure it can be done using this (crappy) notation.

so again, anyone know how?
-andy



27 Nov 2003 19:29:44
Jack Boyce
Re: passing 7 siteswap

Andy Dremeaux wrote:
> I am finding it near impossible to building a siteswap for a standard
> 7-pass (2 people) using the notation i am familiar with. that is:
> <3p|3p><3|3> = shower
>
> 8 doubles is as such:
> <5p|5p><3|3>
>
> i cannot for the life of me find a way to express 7 doubles or
> singles, and i guess any other odd-numbered pattern.
> i have a feeling, because of the stuttered nature of the pattern, that
> the siteswap is something long and ugly filled with many 2-"throws."
>
> anyone have any ideas?


You have pointed out the main problem, which is that with the usual 7 club
passing pattern the
jugglers' right hands do not throw at the same time, and the standard
siteswap notation doesn't
provide a way to indicate this. There are a number of solutions, although
no one standard.

With JoePass, you can use the #jugglerStartLeft flag.

With Juggling Lab, you can put a template at the start of the pattern to
indicate starting hands.
For example, 7-ball passing is:
<R|L ><4p|3><3|4p>

Causal notation also does a good job of dealing with this kind of thing,
but the fact that it's
graphical makes it more difficult to communicate.

Jack

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