28 Jan 2008 21:36:53
upandover
Zippo circus school inquiry

I'm looking for info on Zippo academy of Circus arts

is it a reputable school?
is there employment for graduates?
training?

If anyone is a former graduate or has any relevant info on the program it
would be appreciated

thanks



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30 Jan 2008 19:47:24
Vince
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

Yeah.

I'm looking into these guys as well.

Little help folks?


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30 Jan 2008 22:29:40
dkiphart
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

I was a student on the 2007 course. I studied juggling and unicycling and
dabbled in tightwire and rolas. During the course I developed a solo
juggling act and also performed an impromptu trio juggling act (that was a
lot of fun). If anyone saw the Zippo's shows in Cardiff in September,
that was me. I got a lot out of the course, but I wouldn't recommend the
school.

The two reasons for going to a circus school are skill development and act
development. ACA has very little opportunity for skill development. The
course only lasts 5 months and all of your time is spent touring. You
will be an unpaid employee of Zippo's Circus and training will take a back
seat to the shows. You can expect to spend most of your time on the road
watching the smoke pour out of your 30 year old vehicle that hasn't passed
MOT in a decade. On the other hand, you do have the advantage of a 24
hour training space that's equipped with any toy you could ever want. If
you want to specialize in juggling, then go to Katakomben. ACA doesn't
have a dedicated juggling coach. The instructors for unicycling and
aerials are much better.

The act is development side of things is better. Most of the advice on
act development focuses on teaching you to perform old, classic routines
rather than originality. You can get a lot out of the course, but there
are much better and cheaper ways of getting the same benefits.

One last thing. If you are from North America, then you do need a work
visa, even if you're only in the UK for less than 6 months. You can get
by without one, but it could cause problems if you try to apply for a
long-term visa later on.

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30 Jan 2008 23:20:41
Vince
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

Thanks a lot for the info.

They sound nice, but that's totally not what I'm looking for, and that's
kind of what I expected)

I am going to be going to the Katakomben though. sept of 09.

Thanks again for the info

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30 Jan 2008 23:31:59
Vince
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

Oh yeah.

Could you give me any school names that may be a better alternative?

For Juggling and for Aerial silks.

I'm looking for something that can really build on skill and also stage
presence and general theatrical ability.


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31 Jan 2008 03:45:56
dkiphart
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

I don't know anything about aerials, so I can't give you any advice on
silks. ACA is the only circus education I've had and I'd rather not pass
on second hand reviews. As unhelpful as it is, I think taking workshops
and short courses in things like dance and theater and then synthesizing
the info on your own would be equally productive. Maybe some of the
Canadian circus school students can give a review of their programs.

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31 Jan 2008 11:19:54
Little Paul
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

On 2008-01-30, Vince <Vince331@hotmail.com.nospam.com > wrote:
> Oh yeah.
>
> Could you give me any school names that may be a better alternative?
>
> For Juggling and for Aerial silks.

Circomedia and Circus Space are both big on aerial skills, and focus
heavily on the performance side of things (As can be seen in the
sometimes "student drama" feel of their end of year shows)

There are people reading this who have attended circomedia/circus space
and will be able to give you much more information about them than
I can.

Beyond that, there are a couple more training schools in the UK
but they're generally either "community circus" affairs, or similar
to the zippos model. There's plenty going on outside the UK though
so you may want to ask around about that.

> I'm looking for something that can really build on skill and also stage
> presence and general theatrical ability.

Just a thought, if your main desire is to increase performance
skills, theatrical ability and stage presence - have you considered
doing a drama course? The knowledge gained would be easy enough
to transfer across to juggling/aerial performance - and there's
a *lot* more choice :-)

-Paul
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31 Jan 2008 13:04:05
Jay Linn
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

Little Paul wrote:
> On 2008-01-30, Vince <Vince331@hotmail.com.nospam.com> wrote:
>> Oh yeah.
>>
>> Could you give me any school names that may be a better alternative?
>>
>> For Juggling and for Aerial silks.
>
> Circomedia and Circus Space are both big on aerial skills, and focus
> heavily on the performance side of things (As can be seen in the
> sometimes "student drama" feel of their end of year shows)
>
> There are people reading this who have attended circomedia/circus space
> and will be able to give you much more information about them than
> I can.
>
> Beyond that, there are a couple more training schools in the UK
> but they're generally either "community circus" affairs, or similar
> to the zippos model. There's plenty going on outside the UK though
> so you may want to ask around about that.

Indeed. Blackpool Tower Circus school and Gerry Cottle's proposed
project, presumably based at or near his Wookey Hole business near
Cheddar Gorge, spring to mind.

Have a nose around the Circus Arts Forum for further information -
http://www.circusarts.org.uk/

If you are under 25 you could try talking to Eira at Circus Space, who
I think has been given the role of national youth circus co-ordinator. A
phone call can't hurt.

You should also consider training abroad, but you'd need to do some
research first.

If you need further advice then you can email me if you like, assuming
you're smart enough to decode my address ;-)

>> I'm looking for something that can really build on skill and also stage
>> presence and general theatrical ability.
>
> Just a thought, if your main desire is to increase performance
> skills, theatrical ability and stage presence - have you considered
> doing a drama course? The knowledge gained would be easy enough
> to transfer across to juggling/aerial performance - and there's
> a *lot* more choice :-)

This.

The UK benefits from a vibrant and talented juggling scene, yet remains
cripplingly hopeless at developing performers as opposed to jugglers.
Forcing yourself to learn the bit that won't come naturally to you, the
performance side, will pay dividends in any future juggling clear. Do
not underestimate the importance of performance skills.

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Jay Linn

Is officially "like Bodger and Badger, Chucklevision, and Monty Python
rolled into one".


31 Jan 2008 17:26:31
Sarah Biskup
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

dkiphart wrote:
>
> I was a student on the 2007 course. I studied juggling and unicycling and
> dabbled in tightwire and rolas. During the course I developed a solo
> juggling act and also performed an impromptu trio juggling act (that was a
> lot of fun). If anyone saw the Zippo's shows in Cardiff in September,
> that was me. I got a lot out of the course, but I wouldn't recommend the
> school.
>
> The two reasons for going to a circus school are skill development and act
> development. ACA has very little opportunity for skill development. The
> course only lasts 5 months and all of your time is spent touring. You
> will be an unpaid employee of Zippo's Circus and training will take a back
> seat to the shows. You can expect to spend most of your time on the road
> watching the smoke pour out of your 30 year old vehicle that hasn't passed
> MOT in a decade. On the other hand, you do have the advantage of a 24
> hour training space that's equipped with any toy you could ever want. If
> you want to specialize in juggling, then go to Katakomben. ACA doesn't
> have a dedicated juggling coach. The instructors for unicycling and
> aerials are much better.
>
> The act is development side of things is better. Most of the advice on
> act development focuses on teaching you to perform old, classic routines
> rather than originality. You can get a lot out of the course, but there
> are much better and cheaper ways of getting the same benefits.
>
> One last thing. If you are from North America, then you do need a work
> visa, even if you're only in the UK for less than 6 months. You can get
> by without one, but it could cause problems if you try to apply for a
> long-term visa later on.
>

Hmm, that's put a bit of a damper on that one then. But on the subject
what are the options for foreign schools? Anyone know what the best ones
are (or any ones for that matter, only heard vaguely of one or two)?
looking for full time courses along the lines of circomedia/circus space.
And ones with a lot of juggling, obviously...


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31 Jan 2008 18:02:38
Jay Linn
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

Sarah Biskup wrote:

<snip >

> Hmm, that's put a bit of a damper on that one then. But on the subject
> what are the options for foreign schools? Anyone know what the best ones
> are (or any ones for that matter, only heard vaguely of one or two)?
> looking for full time courses along the lines of circomedia/circus space.
> And ones with a lot of juggling, obviously...

Crikey, that's a big question Sarah, and the world is large enough to
contain many establishments in all kinds of far flung places. Many moons
ago when I finished my course in Bristol, I looked into moving to
California for a year, because there was a school there, who's name I
forget, but I liked the sound of it because it was near the town of
Eureka, on the Mad River, which were silly enough names to ensure it
must've been a great place!

Anyhow, in Europe there are the likes of Katakomben, Chalon-sur-Marne,
the place(s) in Brussels, no doubt there are Soviet-era remnant schools
across Russia, Ukraine, Byelorus, etc., there used to be a state school
in Tbilisi, Georgia I think.

And elsewhere there are the Canadian schools, the Ethiopian project in
Addis Ababa, the thing in Afghanistan, there must be facilities in
numerous places in China including the Peking Opera, and centres in
South America, and Australia, such as Circus Oz.

Finding them would probably be easy than getting into them though ...

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Is officially "like Bodger and Badger, Chucklevision, and Monty Python
rolled into one".


31 Jan 2008 18:09:34
upandover
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

upandover wrote:
>
> I'm looking for info on Zippo academy of Circus arts
>
> is it a reputable school?
> is there employment for graduates?
> training?
>
> If anyone is a former graduate or has any relevant info on the program it
> would be appreciated
>
> thanks
>
>
>

One of the biggest challenges I've had when trying to find a school is the
entry requirements
Personally I want to focus on one specific aspect of circus arts
(aerials), but to gain entry into many
schools they
require you to do hand balancing, advanced tumbling, etc... areas I have
no skill in, and do not
wish to focus a career on,
it's very frustrating trying to find a school that will accept an
applicant if there strength is only in one
area.

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01 Feb 2008 08:17:30
flourish
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

upandover wrote:
>
> upandover wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for info on Zippo academy of Circus arts
> >
> > is it a reputable school?
> > is there employment for graduates?
> > training?
> >
> > If anyone is a former graduate or has any relevant info on the program it
> > would be appreciated
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
>
> One of the biggest challenges I've had when trying to find a school is the
> entry requirements
> Personally I want to focus on one specific aspect of circus arts
> (aerials), but to gain entry into many
> schools they
> require you to do hand balancing, advanced tumbling, etc... areas I have
> no skill in, and do not
> wish to focus a career on,
> it's very frustrating trying to find a school that will accept an
> applicant if there strength is only in one
> area.
>


i believe the entry requirements are on the site of the circusschool in
montreal...
If you wish to go to a circusschool (bachelor), there are only 5 options
in the world as for as i know ...
And all of them require acrodynamique, acrostatique, theatre, ...
It's crappy for a juggler, but if you widen your base your jugglingact
will be much much much better ...

Flourishhh


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01 Feb 2008 08:41:35
It's Him
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

flourish wrote:

> And all of them require acrodynamique, acrostatique, theatre, ...
> It's crappy for a juggler, but if you widen your base your jugglingact
> will be much much much better ...
>

How? OK I can see the theatre part helping but if you don't have an
acrobatic based juggling act how will learning these things help the act?

I'm not a believer in the 'one mould fits all' approach.

Nigel

How many of the best paid jugglers in the world went to circus schools?

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01 Feb 2008 10:50:34
lynne
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

Jay Linn wrote:
>
> Sarah Biskup wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Hmm, that's put a bit of a damper on that one then. But on the subject
> > what are the options for foreign schools? Anyone know what the best ones
> > are (or any ones for that matter, only heard vaguely of one or two)?
> > looking for full time courses along the lines of circomedia/circus space.
> > And ones with a lot of juggling, obviously...
>
> Crikey, that's a big question Sarah, and the world is large enough to
> contain many establishments in all kinds of far flung places. Many moons
> ago when I finished my course in Bristol, I looked into moving to
> California for a year, because there was a school there, who's name I
> forget, but I liked the sound of it because it was near the town of
> Eureka, on the Mad River, which were silly enough names to ensure it
> must've been a great place!
>
> Anyhow, in Europe there are the likes of Katakomben, Chalon-sur-Marne,
> the place(s) in Brussels, no doubt there are Soviet-era remnant schools
> across Russia, Ukraine, Byelorus, etc., there used to be a state school
> in Tbilisi, Georgia I think.
>
> And elsewhere there are the Canadian schools, the Ethiopian project in
> Addis Ababa, the thing in Afghanistan, there must be facilities in
> numerous places in China including the Peking Opera, and centres in
> South America, and Australia, such as Circus Oz.
>
> Finding them would probably be easy than getting into them though ...


..and of course the Dutch one about which you could ask Marco B later on
today - see ya soon

Lynne
>



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01 Feb 2008 18:06:04
flourish
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

It's Him wrote:
>
> flourish wrote:
>
> > And all of them require acrodynamique, acrostatique, theatre, ...
> > It's crappy for a juggler, but if you widen your base your jugglingact
> > will be much much much better ...
> >
>
> How? OK I can see the theatre part helping but if you don't have an
> acrobatic based juggling act how will learning these things help the act?
>
> I'm not a believer in the 'one mould fits all' approach.
>
> Nigel
>
> How many of the best paid jugglers in the world went to circus schools?
>

i believe a good juggling show depends for a part of the movement of the
juggler ... i believe the better you know your body, the better you can do
those movements. there are a lot of things which you can do to learn more
about your body, and acrobatics is one of them (in my opinion).

of course, a lot of people on here will not agree with me, that's why i
now say 'i believe' ... i actually have no interest at all in a discussion
with people about this. I'm just telling people a circusschool could be a
huge improvement... after all, i don't see a lot of 40-ish people on
here,who went to a circusschool do i?

Flourishhh



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01 Feb 2008 20:31:44
Jay Linn
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

flourish wrote:

<snip >

> after all, i don't see a lot of 40-ish people on
> here,who went to a circusschool do i?

Maybe you should look a little closer ...

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02 Feb 2008 22:20:17
Harm1
Re: Zippo circus school inquiry

Vince wrote:
>
> Oh yeah.
>
> Could you give me any school names that may be a better alternative?
>
> For Juggling and for Aerial silks.
>
> I'm looking for something that can really build on skill and also stage
> presence and general theatrical ability.
>

Schools that might be worth looking into

Ecole National Du Cirque (Montreal, Canada)
Centre National des arts du Cirque (Chalons sur Magne, France)
Le Lido, Centre des Arts du Cirque (Toulouse, France)
Codarts Circus Arts (Rotterdam, Holland)
Cirkus Cirkor (Stockholm, Sweden)
Ecole Superieur des Arts du Cirque (Bruxelles, Belgium)

Good luck finding a school!

Harm


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