28 Aug 2004 20:26:10
OlyJuggler
4-ball rubensteins

I've heard through friends there is a way to do 4 ball rubensteins with no
multiplexes, but i cant find a video, anyone got a link to one? and what
is the site swap

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29 Aug 2004 01:52:41
Schwolop
Re: 4-ball rubensteins

OlyJuggler wrote:
> I've heard through friends there is a way to do 4 ball rubensteins with no
> multiplexes, but i cant find a video, anyone got a link to one? and what
> is the site swap
>
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In theory you can do it with virtually any siteswap. I find its easiest
with 642, then 552, then 4. It all depends how fast you can do the orbits
with your arms/wrists. Personally, when I do it, I think I actually end up
switching between 552 and 642 without even thinking depending on how
inaccurately I throw the balls!

Anyway, there are a couple of ways to learn it. First off I would
recommend learning both the 552 and 642 TakeOuts (you might call this
Burke's Barrage), and then just using the extra time to do the Rubensteins
movement. The other method, which I think results in a nicer looking
pattern, is to learn the extended mills mess (think mills with a windmill
on each end) and then just alter the windmill so that it takes the
rubensteins movement.

One more note: a lot of people will probably try and debate whether I've
got the siteswaps correct here. I figure that it doesn't really matter
what siteswap you're doing, as depending on how fast you do the 2's, you
could be doing two or three 2's without it really affecting the underlying
pattern. It's a bit like saying the siteswap 3 is the same as the siteswap
522 or even 9222222 with the 9 thrown really low, and the 2's done really
fast... IMHO it makes no difference, so I'm just describing the siteswaps
4,552,and 642 as describing the underlying shape of the pattern. If you
want to do them as 642= >86222 or 552=>77222 its fine by me!

I hope that helped you,
Tom

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29 Aug 2004 11:20:05
Aidan
Re: 4-ball rubensteins

3 ball rubensteins is based on 52233. The thing that allows it to work is
the 22, that's when you do the orbits. So you need to find 4 ball
siteswaps which have 22 in them, like for instance 66224, or 75224.

Actually, as I write this, I think maybe it's the 2233 bit that's
important, if you want to swap the two orbited balls in the same way as
you do in 3 ball Rubensteins. Then the siteswap should be 92233.

I don't disagree with what Tom wrote, but I think spelling out the desired
siteswaps, as I've tried to do, might help you to work out a pattern that
you can juggle.
Aidan.

Schwolop wrote:
> OlyJuggler wrote:
> > I've heard through friends there is a way to do 4 ball rubensteins with no
> > multiplexes, but i cant find a video, anyone got a link to one? and what
> > is the site swap
> >
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>
> In theory you can do it with virtually any siteswap. I find its easiest
> with 642, then 552, then 4. It all depends how fast you can do the orbits
> with your arms/wrists. Personally, when I do it, I think I actually end up
> switching between 552 and 642 without even thinking depending on how
> inaccurately I throw the balls!
>
> Anyway, there are a couple of ways to learn it. First off I would
> recommend learning both the 552 and 642 TakeOuts (you might call this
> Burke's Barrage), and then just using the extra time to do the Rubensteins
> movement. The other method, which I think results in a nicer looking
> pattern, is to learn the extended mills mess (think mills with a windmill
> on each end) and then just alter the windmill so that it takes the
> rubensteins movement.
>
> One more note: a lot of people will probably try and debate whether I've
> got the siteswaps correct here. I figure that it doesn't really matter
> what siteswap you're doing, as depending on how fast you do the 2's, you
> could be doing two or three 2's without it really affecting the underlying
> pattern. It's a bit like saying the siteswap 3 is the same as the siteswap
> 522 or even 9222222 with the 9 thrown really low, and the 2's done really
> fast... IMHO it makes no difference, so I'm just describing the siteswaps
> 4,552,and 642 as describing the underlying shape of the pattern. If you
> want to do them as 642=>86222 or 552=>77222 its fine by me!
>
> I hope that helped you,
> Tom
>
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29 Aug 2004 11:47:56
Norbi
Re: 4-ball rubensteins

OlyJuggler wrote:
> I've heard through friends there is a way to do 4 ball rubensteins with
no
> multiplexes, but i cant find a video, anyone got a link to one? and what
> is the site swap
>
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just do it on siteswap 4, it works.

norbi


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05 Sep 2004 14:09:11
Luke Holman
Re: 4-ball rubensteins

OlyJuggler wrote:
> I've heard through friends there is a way to do 4 ball rubensteins with no
> multiplexes, but i cant find a video, anyone got a link to one? and what
> is the site swap

Yes, just like mills mess you can theoretically do Rubenstein's with any
number of balls (or, for that matter, most siteswaps you could name). The
way to learn the basic 4 ball Rubenstein's (which I consider to simply be
"4" in siteswap) is to get a comfortable-ish 4 ball mills (and of course a
solid 3b RR). Run 4b MM and just try to start the characteristic
Rubenstein's arm movements. If you aren't sure what makes the trick what
it is, have a long hard look at your 3b RR and see what each hand is
doing. Like with 4 ball mills, the key is to just go for it. Also, search
rec.juggling for this trick and you should come up with some more tips - I
also asked this question when I first learned 4b RR. 4 ball Romeo's
revenge or reverse Rubenstein's, anyone?

Luke

p.s. it's not as hard as everyone thinks.

p.p.s it's therefore a good trick to learn, because you get 'nuff respect
for a modest amount of practice

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