19 Feb 2007 10:26:53
dechucka
Some thoughts on the Aus ODI performance recently

May I first mention that I haven't actually watch the recent games so my
comments are gleaned from TV news cricinfo and the papers

1) both England and NZ deserved to win they were the better teams on the day
and you can only better the team that the opposition picks

2) the Australian bowling seems to be amazing astray they cannot keep a
constant line and length which is so important on ODI pitches which are
normally made to measure ( and pleasure ) for batsmen

3) OR the Aus bowlers aren't thinking or concentrating

4) a lot of the batting seems death or glory stuff, big shots at the start
of an innings a good foundation needs to be laid

5) the fielding has really let them down

6) momentum seems very important in ODI over a season if you lose a few
games because players are rested or swapped about to find the "combination"
than it is hard to start winning again

7) the Aus are team mentally tired or are just not concentrating or have
been caught up in the are the No1 team and just need to turn up to games to
win ( the massacre of the 1st 4 ODI this season Buckannans comments I'm sure
didn't help )

I don't know if the Australian team can lift themselves for the CWC or not
maybe this is the end of an era and SA or England or NZ or SL or Paki will
own the no.1 ranking for awhile.

Good luck for all teams in the CWC I will try and watch some of it if I have
time but with my attitude to ODOs I won't be making a special effort





19 Feb 2007 17:34:06
Dave -Turner
Re: Some thoughts on the Aus ODI performance recently

it'd help if we were fielding our A team for starters




19 Feb 2007 20:07:29
Nozza
Re: Some thoughts on the Aus ODI performance recently

dechucka wrote:
> May I first mention that I haven't actually watch the recent games so my
> comments are gleaned from TV news cricinfo and the papers
>
> 1) both England and NZ deserved to win they were the better teams on the day
> and you can only better the team that the opposition picks
>
> 2) the Australian bowling seems to be amazing astray they cannot keep a
> constant line and length which is so important on ODI pitches which are
> normally made to measure ( and pleasure ) for batsmen

Last two games - Bond is a cut above anything Australia have right now.
Aussies need to get used to the fact that Watson/Tait/White/Hogg/aging
McGrath are all you really have right now, and some or all of those
players would struggle to make most of the top 8 International side's
first XI. In yesterday's match Watson bowled absolute shite, and his 3
wickets covered this up. White has been terrible all summer, and McGrath
has probably stayed on too long.

> 3) OR the Aus bowlers aren't thinking or concentrating
>
> 4) a lot of the batting seems death or glory stuff, big shots at the start
> of an innings a good foundation needs to be laid

If you saw Bond's opening spells in both games, it was some of the best
bowling of the summer. Haddin in both games played some very ill-advised
shots. Watson has terrible technique, Hodge is no better than most of
the kiwi bat's, and Jaques is severely under the pump having had no
international games all summer is then expected to come over to NZ with
the ball swinging all over the shop and score runs. They should have
given him more games in the CB Series.

> 5) the fielding has really let them down

Australia's fielding isn't all it's cracked up to be. Without Ponting,
Clarke and Symonds (arguably the 3 best fielders in the world) they have
been shown up.

> 6) momentum seems very important in ODI over a season if you lose a few
> games because players are rested or swapped about to find the "combination"
> than it is hard to start winning again

Don't buy into that.

> 7) the Aus are team mentally tired or are just not concentrating or have
> been caught up in the are the No1 team and just need to turn up to games to
> win ( the massacre of the 1st 4 ODI this season Buckannans comments I'm sure
> didn't help )

Their workload hasn't been any more than say, NZ's? Most of these guys
playing yesterday weren't in the Ashes series.

> I don't know if the Australian team can lift themselves for the CWC or not
> maybe this is the end of an era and SA or England or NZ or SL or Paki will
> own the no.1 ranking for awhile.

My prediction is Gilly will retire from ODI's after the WC, Mcgrath is
already gone. They both look a bit stale. It's hardly the end of an era.
Australia will ALWAYS be strong in both forms of cricket, they pour too
much money and time into it to not be.

> Good luck for all teams in the CWC I will try and watch some of it if I have
> time but with my attitude to ODOs I won't be making a special effort

Bring it on, I can't wait.


19 Feb 2007 20:11:35
Nozza
Re: Some thoughts on the Aus ODI performance recently

Dave -Turner wrote:
> it'd help if we were fielding our A team for starters
>
>
yes I was thinking the same thing about NZ before the match started...


19 Feb 2007 20:11:31
Grinner
Re: Some thoughts on the Aus ODI performance recently


"Nozza" <arnorris@optusnet.com.au > wrote in message
news:45d96896$0$5747$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> dechucka wrote:
>> May I first mention that I haven't actually watch the recent games so my
>> comments are gleaned from TV news cricinfo and the papers
>>
>> 1) both England and NZ deserved to win they were the better teams on the
>> day and you can only better the team that the opposition picks
>>
>> 2) the Australian bowling seems to be amazing astray they cannot keep a
>> constant line and length which is so important on ODI pitches which are
>> normally made to measure ( and pleasure ) for batsmen
>
> Last two games - Bond is a cut above anything Australia have right now.
> Aussies need to get used to the fact that Watson/Tait/White/Hogg/aging
> McGrath are all you really have right now, and some or all of those
> players would struggle to make most of the top 8 International side's
> first XI. In yesterday's match Watson bowled absolute shite, and his 3
> wickets covered this up. White has been terrible all summer, and McGrath
> has probably stayed on too long.
>
>> 3) OR the Aus bowlers aren't thinking or concentrating
>>
>> 4) a lot of the batting seems death or glory stuff, big shots at the
>> start of an innings a good foundation needs to be laid
>
> If you saw Bond's opening spells in both games, it was some of the best
> bowling of the summer. Haddin in both games played some very ill-advised
> shots. Watson has terrible technique, Hodge is no better than most of the
> kiwi bat's, and Jaques is severely under the pump having had no
> international games all summer is then expected to come over to NZ with
> the ball swinging all over the shop and score runs. They should have given
> him more games in the CB Series.
>
>> 5) the fielding has really let them down
>
> Australia's fielding isn't all it's cracked up to be. Without Ponting,
> Clarke and Symonds (arguably the 3 best fielders in the world) they have
> been shown up.
>
>> 6) momentum seems very important in ODI over a season if you lose a few
>> games because players are rested or swapped about to find the
>> "combination" than it is hard to start winning again
>
> Don't buy into that.
>
>> 7) the Aus are team mentally tired or are just not concentrating or have
>> been caught up in the are the No1 team and just need to turn up to games
>> to win ( the massacre of the 1st 4 ODI this season Buckannans comments
>> I'm sure didn't help )
>
> Their workload hasn't been any more than say, NZ's? Most of these guys
> playing yesterday weren't in the Ashes series.
>
>> I don't know if the Australian team can lift themselves for the CWC or
>> not maybe this is the end of an era and SA or England or NZ or SL or Paki
>> will own the no.1 ranking for awhile.
>
> My prediction is Gilly will retire from ODI's after the WC, Mcgrath is
> already gone. They both look a bit stale. It's hardly the end of an era.
> Australia will ALWAYS be strong in both forms of cricket, they pour too
> much money and time into it to not be.

Might be time they spent a little more on a bowling coach.

>> Good luck for all teams in the CWC I will try and watch some of it if I
>> have time but with my attitude to ODOs I won't be making a special effort
>
> Bring it on, I can't wait.




20 Feb 2007 08:24:23
Ian Galbraith
Re: Some thoughts on the Aus ODI performance recently

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:34:06 +0800, Dave -Turner wrote:

> it'd help if we were fielding our A team for starters

Thats no excuse, certainly not for the loss in the 2nd game, because the
missing players are mostly batsman and the bowlers are clearly our
biggest problem as the 2nd game made clear.

--
"It is almost impossible systematically to constitute a natural moral
law. Nature has no principles. She furnishes us with no reason to believe
that human life is to be respected. Nature in her indifference, makes no
distinction between good and evil." - Anon


20 Feb 2007 10:13:22
dechucka
Re: Some thoughts on the Aus ODI performance recently


"Nozza" <arnorris@optusnet.com.au > wrote in message
news:45d96896$0$5747$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> dechucka wrote:
>> May I first mention that I haven't actually watch the recent games so my
>> comments are gleaned from TV news cricinfo and the papers
>>
>> 1) both England and NZ deserved to win they were the better teams on the
>> day and you can only better the team that the opposition picks
>>
>> 2) the Australian bowling seems to be amazing astray they cannot keep a
>> constant line and length which is so important on ODI pitches which are
>> normally made to measure ( and pleasure ) for batsmen
>
> Last two games - Bond is a cut above anything Australia have right now.
> Aussies need to get used to the fact that Watson/Tait/White/Hogg/aging
> McGrath are all you really have right now, and some or all of those
> players would struggle to make most of the top 8 International side's
> first XI. In yesterday's match Watson bowled absolute shite, and his 3
> wickets covered this up. White has been terrible all summer, and McGrath
> has probably stayed on too long.
>
>> 3) OR the Aus bowlers aren't thinking or concentrating
>>
>> 4) a lot of the batting seems death or glory stuff, big shots at the
>> start of an innings a good foundation needs to be laid
>
> If you saw Bond's opening spells in both games, it was some of the best
> bowling of the summer. Haddin in both games played some very ill-advised
> shots. Watson has terrible technique, Hodge is no better than most of the
> kiwi bat's, and Jaques is severely under the pump having had no
> international games all summer is then expected to come over to NZ with
> the ball swinging all over the shop and score runs. They should have given
> him more games in the CB Series.
>
>> 5) the fielding has really let them down
>
> Australia's fielding isn't all it's cracked up to be. Without Ponting,
> Clarke and Symonds (arguably the 3 best fielders in the world) they have
> been shown up.

Australia fielding WAS all that it was cracked up to be but isn't now and I
am refering to the players in the team

>
>> 6) momentum seems very important in ODI over a season if you lose a few
>> games because players are rested or swapped about to find the
>> "combination" than it is hard to start winning again
>
> Don't buy into that.

It is a belief I have that momentum esp. going into the semis of series is
important
>
>> 7) the Aus are team mentally tired or are just not concentrating or have
>> been caught up in the are the No1 team and just need to turn up to games
>> to win ( the massacre of the 1st 4 ODI this season Buckannans comments
>> I'm sure didn't help )
>
> Their workload hasn't been any more than say, NZ's? Most of these guys
> playing yesterday weren't in the Ashes series.

I wasn't comparing them to NZ I made the comment about the Aus team and gave
other explanations as well

>
>> I don't know if the Australian team can lift themselves for the CWC or
>> not maybe this is the end of an era and SA or England or NZ or SL or Paki
>> will own the no.1 ranking for awhile.
>
> My prediction is Gilly will retire from ODI's after the WC, Mcgrath is
> already gone. They both look a bit stale. It's hardly the end of an era.
> Australia will ALWAYS be strong in both forms of cricket, they pour too
> much money and time into it to not be.

agree about Gillies and the reason that a lot of time is spent on cricket is
that it is our only truly national sport. The money follows this because it
is easy to get sponsors for the ONLY truly national sport

>
>> Good luck for all teams in the CWC I will try and watch some of it if I
>> have time but with my attitude to ODOs I won't be making a special effort
>
> Bring it on, I can't wait.

I can, I'm even worse than Colin in my disregard for ODOs