26 Feb 2007 22:19:35
Calvin
All-time Oz ODO XI


Picks itself IMHO:

Waugh M
Gilchrist
Ponting
Chappell G
Roy
Bevan
O'Donnell
Warnie
GB
Lillee
McGrath

Notes:

1. Add Taylor P if a second spinner is required.

2. Anyone who picks Deano ahead of Ponting or Chappell is a moron. He
was vastly overrated, as his stats demonstrate.

3. Hussey may well replace Bevan if this team is picked again in 5
years time.

4. A finer collection of tossers has rarely represented Australia. At
least 5 of the team are complete dickheads, and that's not counting
the walking headline.

5. Guess which 5. And no, I don't include GB who for all his faults
seems a decent enough chap.

cheers,
calvin



27 Feb 2007 19:25:24
ajc
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

I would put Deano over G Chappell. Their stats are pretty much identical but
Deano was a far superior fieldsman IMO. Apart from that I agree with the
rest.
MAYBE have Steve Waugh in when he was capable of being an allrounder... but
happy with O'Donnell there.

"Calvin" <ckelly@bond.edu.au > wrote in message
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>
> Picks itself IMHO:
>
> Waugh M
> Gilchrist
> Ponting
> Chappell G
> Roy
> Bevan
> O'Donnell
> Warnie
> GB
> Lillee
> McGrath
>
> Notes:
>
> 1. Add Taylor P if a second spinner is required.
>
> 2. Anyone who picks Deano ahead of Ponting or Chappell is a moron. He
> was vastly overrated, as his stats demonstrate.
>
> 3. Hussey may well replace Bevan if this team is picked again in 5
> years time.
>
> 4. A finer collection of tossers has rarely represented Australia. At
> least 5 of the team are complete dickheads, and that's not counting
> the walking headline.
>
> 5. Guess which 5. And no, I don't include GB who for all his faults
> seems a decent enough chap.
>
> cheers,
> calvin
>




27 Feb 2007 09:30:49
Cicero
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"Calvin" <ckelly@bond.edu.au > wrote in message
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>
> Picks itself IMHO:
>
> Waugh M
> Gilchrist
> Ponting
> Chappell G
> Roy
> Bevan
> O'Donnell
> Warnie
> GB
> Lillee
> McGrath
>
> Notes:
>
> 1. Add Taylor P if a second spinner is required.
>
> 2. Anyone who picks Deano ahead of Ponting or Chappell is a moron. He
> was vastly overrated, as his stats demonstrate.
>
> 3. Hussey may well replace Bevan if this team is picked again in 5
> years time.
>
> 4. A finer collection of tossers has rarely represented Australia. At
> least 5 of the team are complete dickheads, and that's not counting
> the walking headline.
>
> 5. Guess which 5. And no, I don't include GB who for all his faults
> seems a decent enough chap.
>
> cheers,
> calvin
>

O'Donnell? How does he stack up against, say, Steve Waugh?




27 Feb 2007 09:31:57
Cicero
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"ajc" <bah_meh@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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>I would put Deano over G Chappell. Their stats are pretty much identical
>but
> Deano was a far superior fieldsman IMO. Apart from that I agree with the
> rest.
> MAYBE have Steve Waugh in when he was capable of being an allrounder...
> but
> happy with O'Donnell there.

Greg Chappell was an extremely good fielder- better than Deano in my view.




27 Feb 2007 09:40:36
Gumby
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"Calvin" <ckelly@bond.edu.au > wrote in message
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>
> Picks itself IMHO:
>
> Waugh M
> Gilchrist
> Ponting
> Chappell G
> Roy
> Bevan
> O'Donnell
> Warnie
> GB
> Lillee
> McGrath
>

so no Tom Hogan?
disappointing




27 Feb 2007 11:53:34
JC
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"Calvin" <ckelly@bond.edu.au > wrote in message
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>
> Picks itself IMHO:
>
> Waugh M
> Gilchrist
> Ponting
> Chappell G
> Roy
> Bevan
> O'Donnell
> Warnie
> GB
> Lillee
> McGrath
<snip >


name / votes from 163 ODI players

Adam Gilchrist 110
Mark Waugh 101
Ricky Ponting (vc) 107
Dean Jones 80
Steve Waugh (c) 72
Michael Bevan 83
Andrews Symonds 74
Shane Warne 109
Brett Lee 57
Dennis Lillee 89
Glenn McGrath 109
Greg Chappell (12th) 40

I would have thought O'Donell might have edged out one of the pace bowlers.
I guess Lee's s/r helped over the line

Hussey misses out. In ten or so years time he will bump S.Waugh out






27 Feb 2007 23:10:06
ajc
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

That's a big call. There's no guarantee he will maintain his form.

"JC" <nobody@home.com > wrote in message
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>
>
> Hussey misses out. In ten or so years time he will bump S.Waugh out
>
>
>
>




27 Feb 2007 12:16:25
JC
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"ajc" <bah_meh@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> That's a big call. There's no guarantee he will maintain his form.

S. Waugh omitted himself and chose Hussey for his XI

>
> "JC" <nobody@home.com> wrote in message
> news:2ZUEh.24744$gl2.20810@fe10.news.easynews.com...
>>
>>
>> Hussey misses out. In ten or so years time he will bump S.Waugh out
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>




27 Feb 2007 20:35:06
Cicero
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"JC" <nobody@home.com > wrote in message
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>
> "ajc" <bah_meh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45e41f9d$0$11603$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> That's a big call. There's no guarantee he will maintain his form.
>
> S. Waugh omitted himself and chose Hussey for his XI
>
That is not unusual if a player turned author is being modest.




28 Feb 2007 13:09:32
Ian Galbraith
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:30:49 GMT, Cicero wrote:

[snip]

> O'Donnell? How does he stack up against, say, Steve Waugh?

Very well, he's close to being the best big hitting lower order batsman
we've had. I heard Peter Taylor interviewed a few weeks ago on the
greatest one day team and he pointed out that O'Donnell was the only
Australian player who was able to collar the WI attack of the time which
was close to their best. Plus he was an excellent bowler.

--
"I'm not sad. I'm complicated. Chicks dig that." - House


28 Feb 2007 13:09:46
Ian Galbraith
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

On 26 Feb 2007 22:19:35 -0800, Calvin wrote:

> Picks itself IMHO:
>
> Waugh M
> Gilchrist
> Ponting
> Chappell G
> Roy
> Bevan
> O'Donnell
> Warnie
> GB
> Lillee
> McGrath

IIRC mine was similar just replacing GB and Bevan with Steve Waugh and
Hussey. It doesn't need 4 specialist bowlers with Chappell the Waughs and
Symonds.

[snip]

> 2. Anyone who picks Deano ahead of Ponting or Chappell is a moron. He
> was vastly overrated, as his stats demonstrate.

yup, Jones isn't in their league as a batsman.`

[snip]

--
"We not run out of time. There is infinite time. You are finite, Zathras
is finite. This...... is wrong tool." - Zathras, Babylon5


28 Feb 2007 13:09:47
Ian Galbraith
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:25:24 +1100, ajc wrote:

> I would put Deano over G Chappell. Their stats are pretty much identical but
> Deano was a far superior fieldsman IMO. Apart from that I agree with the
> rest.

I saw both, Chappell was the superior batsman and equal in the field.

--
"If nothing that we do matters, then all that matters is what we do" -
Angel


28 Feb 2007 13:30:42
ajc
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


> > 2. Anyone who picks Deano ahead of Ponting or Chappell is a moron. He
> > was vastly overrated, as his stats demonstrate.
>
> yup, Jones isn't in their league as a batsman.`
>

I guess the players who selected the team must be morons then. I am 100%
sure they would've seen more of Chappell and Jones than either of you.




28 Feb 2007 13:51:58
Ian Galbraith
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:30:42 +1100, ajc wrote:

>>> 2. Anyone who picks Deano ahead of Ponting or Chappell is a moron. He
>>> was vastly overrated, as his stats demonstrate.
>>
>> yup, Jones isn't in their league as a batsman.`
>>
>
> I guess the players who selected the team must be morons then. I am 100%
> sure they would've seen more of Chappell and Jones than either of you.

Ponting and Chappell both have claims to being the second best Australian
batsman behind Bradman. Jones.............doesn't.

--
"If nothing that we do matters, then all that matters is what we do" -
Angel


28 Feb 2007 07:07:55
Lewis Skolnick
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

What about Greg Richie or Graham Wood? Surely they are walk up starts!
"Calvin" <ckelly@bond.edu.au > wrote in message
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>
> Picks itself IMHO:
>
> Waugh M
> Gilchrist
> Ponting
> Chappell G
> Roy
> Bevan
> O'Donnell
> Warnie
> GB
> Lillee
> McGrath
>
> Notes:
>
> 1. Add Taylor P if a second spinner is required.
>
> 2. Anyone who picks Deano ahead of Ponting or Chappell is a moron. He
> was vastly overrated, as his stats demonstrate.
>
> 3. Hussey may well replace Bevan if this team is picked again in 5
> years time.
>
> 4. A finer collection of tossers has rarely represented Australia. At
> least 5 of the team are complete dickheads, and that's not counting
> the walking headline.
>
> 5. Guess which 5. And no, I don't include GB who for all his faults
> seems a decent enough chap.
>
> cheers,
> calvin
>




28 Feb 2007 23:10:22
will s
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"ajc" <bah_meh@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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>I would put Deano over G Chappell. Their stats are pretty much identical
>but
> Deano was a far superior fieldsman IMO. Apart from that I agree with the
> rest.

Chappell was an excellent ODI bowler and this puts him miles ahead of Jones



01 Mar 2007 01:39:58
ajc
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"Ian Galbraith" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
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> Ponting and Chappell both have claims to being the second best Australian
> batsman behind Bradman. Jones.............doesn't.
>
> --
> "If nothing that we do matters, then all that matters is what we do" -
> Angel

The players who voted on the best ODI team disagree with you as far as
Chappell vs Jones goes...




01 Mar 2007 01:59:31
ajc
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"will s" <willsjunk@optusnet.com.au > wrote in message
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>
> "ajc" <bah_meh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45e3eafc$0$5746$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >I would put Deano over G Chappell. Their stats are pretty much identical
> >but
> > Deano was a far superior fieldsman IMO. Apart from that I agree with the
> > rest.
>
> Chappell was an excellent ODI bowler and this puts him miles ahead of
Jones
>

The players who voted disagree. In fact Chappell only received HALF the
number of votes Deano did.




28 Feb 2007 13:50:53
Calvin
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

On Mar 1, 12:59 am, "ajc" <bah_...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> "will s" <willsj...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:45e570f3$0$5749$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
>
> > "ajc" <bah_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:45e3eafc$0$5746$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > >I would put Deano over G Chappell. Their stats are pretty much identical
> > >but
> > > Deano was a far superior fieldsman IMO. Apart from that I agree with the
> > > rest.
>
> > Chappell was an excellent ODI bowler and this puts him miles ahead of
> Jones
>
> The players who voted disagree. In fact Chappell only received HALF the
> number of votes Deano did.

And why should anyone think playing for Australia and being a moron
are mutually exclusive?

cheers,
calvin




28 Feb 2007 23:26:53
woodsy
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"Ian Galbraith" <me@privacy.net > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:25:24 +1100, ajc wrote:
>
>> I would put Deano over G Chappell. Their stats are pretty much identical
>> but
>> Deano was a far superior fieldsman IMO. Apart from that I agree with the
>> rest.
>
> I saw both, Chappell was the superior batsman and equal in the field.
>
> --
chappell fielded (predominantly)in the slips, did he not ??
he was a champion there, but in the one day game deano was a gun wherever he
fielded.

slips arent as important in odi`s as test..




01 Mar 2007 12:51:28
ajc
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"Calvin" <ckelly@bond.edu.au > wrote in message
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> And why should anyone think playing for Australia and being a moron
> are mutually exclusive?
>
> cheers,
> calvin
>
>

So you support the Australian cricket team but think that 75% or so of them
over their history have been complete morons?




01 Mar 2007 12:03:49
Cicero
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"ajc" <bah_meh@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> "will s" <willsjunk@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:45e570f3$0$5749$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>
>> "ajc" <bah_meh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:45e3eafc$0$5746$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> >I would put Deano over G Chappell. Their stats are pretty much identical
>> >but
>> > Deano was a far superior fieldsman IMO. Apart from that I agree with
>> > the
>> > rest.
>>
>> Chappell was an excellent ODI bowler and this puts him miles ahead of
> Jones
>>
>
> The players who voted disagree. In fact Chappell only received HALF the
> number of votes Deano did.
>
>

I didn't see the vote count- what players? Did they actually see Chappell or
are their memories tainted by more recent players?




02 Mar 2007 15:06:18
ajc
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI


"Cicero" <moofie53@bigpond.net.au > wrote in message
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>
> "ajc" <bah_meh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45e598d1$0$11603$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >
> > "will s" <willsjunk@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:45e570f3$0$5749$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >>
> >> "ajc" <bah_meh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:45e3eafc$0$5746$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >> >I would put Deano over G Chappell. Their stats are pretty much
identical
> >> >but
> >> > Deano was a far superior fieldsman IMO. Apart from that I agree with
> >> > the
> >> > rest.
> >>
> >> Chappell was an excellent ODI bowler and this puts him miles ahead of
> > Jones
> >>
> >
> > The players who voted disagree. In fact Chappell only received HALF the
> > number of votes Deano did.
> >
> >
>
> I didn't see the vote count- what players? Did they actually see Chappell
or
> are their memories tainted by more recent players?
>
>

All ODI players were invited to vote. The younger players idols were
probably in the generation ahead of them so any that were 'tainted' by more
recent players is probably overridden by those who were just selecting their
childhood heroes. Deano got 80 votes, G Chappell 40.

Player (votes)
Adam Gilchrist 110
Mark Waugh 101
Ricky Ponting (vc) 107
Dean Jones 80
Steve Waugh (c) 72
Michael Bevan 83
Andrews Symonds 74
Shane Warne 109
Brett Lee 57
Dennis Lillee 89
Glenn McGrath 109
Greg Chappell (12th) 40




02 Mar 2007 07:58:29
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

On Feb 27, 4:19 pm, "Calvin" <cke...@bond.edu.au > wrote:
> Picks itself IMHO:
>
> Waugh M
> Gilchrist
> Ponting
> Chappell G
> Roy
> Bevan
> O'Donnell
> Warnie
> GB
> Lillee
> McGrath
>
> Notes:
>
> 1. Add Taylor P if a second spinner is required.
>
> 2. Anyone who picks Deano ahead of Ponting or Chappell is a moron. He
> was vastly overrated, as his stats demonstrate.
>
> 3. Hussey may well replace Bevan if this team is picked again in 5
> years time.
>
> 4. A finer collection of tossers has rarely represented Australia. At
> least 5 of the team are complete dickheads, and that's not counting
> the walking headline.
>
> 5. Guess which 5. And no, I don't include GB who for all his faults
> seems a decent enough chap.

Don't much care.

Point of order Calvin.

You only pick Bevan if the other batting dimwits can't knock together
200 on a bad day.

In an all-time team, surely the red-inkest of red-inks doesn't make
the first cut.... and nor do the others.

If you're going to pick players on form.. then pick them on form. Not
on some half-arse for,/average rubbish.

Gilchrist
Hayden (Yes much, much better than Mew.. I'll take Jones as an opener
or 3 with Ponting opening if anyone makes a decent argument though)
Ponting
G. Chappell
Border
Symonds
O'Donnell
Warne
Reifell/P. Taylor
Lillee
McGrath

And I'll take arguments for Steven over Simon.

Moby
The Revolution is Shit-Faced. Long live the revolution.






04 Mar 2007 14:18:18
Calvin
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

On Mar 3, 1:58 am, M...@unimail.com.au wrote:
> On Feb 27, 4:19 pm, "Calvin" <cke...@bond.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Picks itself IMHO:
>
> > Waugh M
> > Gilchrist
> > Ponting
> > Chappell G
> > Roy
> > Bevan
> > O'Donnell
> > Warnie
> > GB
> > Lillee
> > McGrath
>
> > Notes:
>
> > 1. Add Taylor P if a second spinner is required.
>
> > 2. Anyone who picks Deano ahead of Ponting or Chappell is a moron. He
> > was vastly overrated, as his stats demonstrate.
>
> > 3. Hussey may well replace Bevan if this team is picked again in 5
> > years time.
>
> > 4. A finer collection of tossers has rarely represented Australia. At
> > least 5 of the team are complete dickheads, and that's not counting
> > the walking headline.
>
> > 5. Guess which 5. And no, I don't include GB who for all his faults
> > seems a decent enough chap.
>
> Don't much care.
>
> Point of order Calvin.
>
> You only pick Bevan if the other batting dimwits can't knock together
> 200 on a bad day.
>
> In an all-time team, surely the red-inkest of red-inks doesn't make
> the first cut.... and nor do the others.
>
> If you're going to pick players on form.. then pick them on form. Not
> on some half-arse for,/average rubbish.

Huh? How could an all-time team be picked on form?

> Gilchrist
> Hayden (Yes much, much better than Mew.. I'll take Jones as an opener
> or 3 with Ponting opening if anyone makes a decent argument though)

I'm no great fan of MEW either, but he edges Haydos with Jones a
distant third.

> Ponting
> G. Chappell
> Border
> Symonds
> O'Donnell
> Warne
> Reifell/P. Taylor
> Lillee
> McGrath
>
> And I'll take arguments for Steven over Simon.

cheers,
calvin






09 Mar 2007 09:45:40
Re: All-time Oz ODO XI

On Mar 5, 8:18 am, "Calvin" <cke...@bond.edu.au > wrote:
> On Mar 3, 1:58 am, M...@unimail.com.au wrote:


> > If you're going to pick players on form.. then pick them on form. Not
> > on some half-arse for,/average rubbish.
>
> Huh? How could an all-time team be picked on form?

Best-of form, surely. As opposed to red-ink induced averages over
time... which would be the only reason anyone would ever pick Bevan.
I agree that he'd be one of the first players picked in a non-all-time-
great side.. but once you have that good a batting line up.. a
plodding-accumulator is a waste of space.. as Katich showed oh-so-well
in RSA.

> > Gilchrist
> > Hayden (Yes much, much better than Mew.. I'll take Jones as an opener
> > or 3 with Ponting opening if anyone makes a decent argument though)
>
> I'm no great fan of MEW either, but he edges Haydos with Jones a
> distant third.

Not sure why he beats either. If you want to make an arguement that
he had to face a better attack than Haydos, then Jones does the same,
but has better figures doing it. If you don't want to go down that
road, Hayden has better results at his peak full stop. With Warne in
the side and optios of Ponting, Chappell, Symonds and even Border,
MEW's (slightly?) better slip fielding than Hayden is neither here nor
there.

> > Ponting
> > G. Chappell
> > Border
> > Symonds
> > O'Donnell
> > Warne
> > Reifell/P. Taylor
> > Lillee
> > McGrath
>
> > And I'll take arguments for Steven over Simon.

Thinking more about it I won't. Picking SRW in that side is a
defensive measure that is not worthy of such a batting line-up.
O'Donnell was a more attacking player and offered the same options in
the bowling. SOD hands down.

And another reason not to go MEW. Haydos Version 2 was a very
attacking opener.. much more so than the great Syndey-brother-named
one and it's Haydos Version 2 that I'm picking. Not the worrisome
Version 1, nor the older and more staid Version 3.

Moby