23 Jan 2005 19:14:13
List
I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP



Psy = Psychiatrist
Ptnt = Patient

Psy: So what problems are you having
Ptnt: SEVERE IMPOTENCY, couldnt get my dick up
Psy: Since when ?
Ptnt: Since 9/11
Psy: You must be an FBI agent

LOL..

Ptnt: How do you know I am an FBI agent
Psy: You are patient # 67,249 from the FBI
Ptnt: My god....so many FBI agents came to see you?
Psy: Yes, they went to Urologists first
Ptnt: I did too
Psy: I know...the urologists suggested IMPOTENT FBI agents to take FIFTY
100mg
viagra in one shot
Ptnt: I was too...
Psy: I know....it didnt work for you either and thats why you are here to
see me
Ptnt: So what should I do to get my dick up
Psy: Nothing in the world can get your FBI agents dicks up......except
catching obl...
Ptnt: But we couldnt catch that sob obl for 3yrs 5 months
Psy: And you NEVER WILL and so you will REMAIN IMPOTENT FOR EVER.....may I
have your wife's phone# please....

ROTFLMAO.......





23 Jan 2005 09:18:52
Chief High Priest
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP


"List" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:35ho1kF4lgjd8U1@individual.net...
>
>
> Psy = Psychiatrist
> Ptnt = Patient
>
> Psy: So what problems are you having
> Ptnt: SEVERE IMPOTENCY, couldnt get my dick up
> Psy: Since when ?
> Ptnt: Since 9/11
> Psy: You must be an FBI agent
>
> LOL..
>
> Ptnt: How do you know I am an FBI agent
> Psy: You are patient # 67,249 from the FBI
> Ptnt: My god....so many FBI agents came to see you?
> Psy: Yes, they went to Urologists first
> Ptnt: I did too
> Psy: I know...the urologists suggested IMPOTENT FBI agents to take FIFTY
> 100mg
> viagra in one shot
> Ptnt: I was too...
> Psy: I know....it didnt work for you either and thats why you are here to
> see me
> Ptnt: So what should I do to get my dick up
> Psy: Nothing in the world can get your FBI agents dicks up......except
> catching obl...
> Ptnt: But we couldnt catch that sob obl for 3yrs 5 months
> Psy: And you NEVER WILL and so you will REMAIN IMPOTENT FOR EVER.....may
> I
> have your wife's phone# please....
>
> ROTFLMAO.......
>

I hear that OBL has a book deal and a new book coming out with an English
translation. It will be interesting to buy and read.




23 Jan 2005 16:35:01
Greylock
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:18:52 -0500, "Chief High Priest"
<dfgxdfgdfg@dfsdff.fu > wrote:

>
>"List" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:35ho1kF4lgjd8U1@individual.net...
>>
>>
>> Psy = Psychiatrist
>> Ptnt = Patient
>>
>> Psy: So what problems are you having
>> Ptnt: SEVERE IMPOTENCY, couldnt get my dick up
>> Psy: Since when ?
>> Ptnt: Since 9/11
>> Psy: You must be an FBI agent
>>
>> LOL..
>>
>> Ptnt: How do you know I am an FBI agent
>> Psy: You are patient # 67,249 from the FBI
>> Ptnt: My god....so many FBI agents came to see you?
>> Psy: Yes, they went to Urologists first
>> Ptnt: I did too
>> Psy: I know...the urologists suggested IMPOTENT FBI agents to take FIFTY
>> 100mg
>> viagra in one shot
>> Ptnt: I was too...
>> Psy: I know....it didnt work for you either and thats why you are here to
>> see me
>> Ptnt: So what should I do to get my dick up
>> Psy: Nothing in the world can get your FBI agents dicks up......except
>> catching obl...
>> Ptnt: But we couldnt catch that sob obl for 3yrs 5 months
>> Psy: And you NEVER WILL and so you will REMAIN IMPOTENT FOR EVER.....may
>> I
>> have your wife's phone# please....
>>
>> ROTFLMAO.......
>>
>
>I hear that OBL has a book deal and a new book coming out with an English
>translation. It will be interesting to buy and read.

Best figure out who gets the money before you buy the book.
>



25 Jan 2005 14:33:18
Surfer Bob
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

Greylock wrote:
> Best figure out who gets the money before you buy the book.

I certainly hope W and DC will be getting a percentage. They've done so
very much to build the brand name and market the franchises.



27 Jan 2005 02:05:41
Greylock
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On 25 Jan 2005 14:33:18 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>Greylock wrote:
>> Best figure out who gets the money before you buy the book.
>
>I certainly hope W and DC will be getting a percentage. They've done so
>very much to build the brand name and market the franchises.

It takes one sick SOB to think this is funny. Do you recall WHY we are
looking for OBL, shithead? Your pissant political bullshit only serves
to show how thoroughly morally bankrupt you are.


27 Jan 2005 14:42:01
Surfer Bob
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

> >Greylock wrote:
> ...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?

Because he is thought to have facilitated the 9/11 attacks (and
others)?
The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
man.

Do you understand that we are *not* looking for OSB *very hard*? When
the Taliban offered to hand him over for trial in the Middle East we
said no. When we apparently had him cornered at Tora Bora we pulled
back and geared up for Iraq. And in early 2002 (when he was busy
selling the manufactured reasons to invade Iraq) W said that he wasn't
worried about OBL and wasn't really looking for him any more (3/13/2002
news conference). The search for him since then has been a very minor
sideshow to the main event in Iraq. Before we went into Iraq, OBL was
very down on Hussein because he was afraid he might try to impose his
Baathist secular socialist state on Saudi Arabia. He apparently was
abetting a small presence in northern Iraq to mess with the Baathists.
But after we went into Iraq, Al Qaida became much more active there,
aiding the fight against us.

John Lehmann of the 9/11 commiussion says the Pentagon knows where OBL
is and we even have troops in the area but they can't go and get him
because it would become a big Viet Nam-like mess and we can't afford
that right now. And that is because all our capital is currently sunk
in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_laden

My main flippant point was that our government did a lot to help create
the "brand name" of Al Quaida that OSB now milks. OBL never claimed to
represent an organization called Al Qaida until the US government (led
by W) spent many months popularizing the term. The term was coined by
the FBI back in 1988 for lack of a better name for a certain loose
association of people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_qaeda
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2536&page=0

> ...Your pissant political bullshit only serves
> to show how thoroughly morally bankrupt you are.

Ya whatever. If you'd care to discuss this civilly I'm there for you
man.

Surfer Bob



27 Jan 2005 22:51:26
G W Shrub
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP


"Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1106865721.307311.203180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

...
> The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
> they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
> blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
> man.
...

Who cares? Bring him before a Sharia court and charge him with slandering
Islam. The charge is easy to prove and the penalty is stoning to death.
--
GW



















27 Jan 2005 22:55:27
Bo Raxo
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP


"Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1106865721.307311.203180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >Greylock wrote:
> > ...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?
>
> Because he is thought to have facilitated the 9/11 attacks (and
> others)?
> The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
> they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
> blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
> man.
>
> Do you understand that we are *not* looking for OSB *very hard*? When
> the Taliban offered to hand him over for trial in the Middle East we
> said no. When we apparently had him cornered at Tora Bora we pulled
> back and geared up for Iraq. And in early 2002 (when he was busy
> selling the manufactured reasons to invade Iraq) W said that he wasn't
> worried about OBL and wasn't really looking for him any more (3/13/2002
> news conference). The search for him since then has been a very minor
> sideshow to the main event in Iraq. Before we went into Iraq, OBL was
> very down on Hussein because he was afraid he might try to impose his
> Baathist secular socialist state on Saudi Arabia. He apparently was
> abetting a small presence in northern Iraq to mess with the Baathists.
> But after we went into Iraq, Al Qaida became much more active there,
> aiding the fight against us.
>
> John Lehmann of the 9/11 commiussion says the Pentagon knows where OBL
> is and we even have troops in the area but they can't go and get him
> because it would become a big Viet Nam-like mess and we can't afford
> that right now. And that is because all our capital is currently sunk
> in Iraq.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_laden
>

Well, that's in interesting theory. I agree that we aren't looking for OBL
very hard, but that's because it's rather obvious where he is: Pakistan.
The Pakis won't let U.S. troops in to the country to search the western
portion for him, they insist their own security forces handle it.
Pakistan's intelligence services were always very friendly with the Taliban,
part of a strong religious loyalty that means regardless of Mushareff's
strategic tilt towards the west, they'll keep hosting jihadist forces.

U.S. intelligence, I think, knows he's in Pakistan. So there's no use
looking for him very hard, when we know where he is, and can't touch him.

Besides, he's a very handy boogeyman for the administration. As you said,
Bush's team has spent a lot of time building up OBL and related properties
as brand names, no need to create some situation that might call for nuance.


Bo Raxo






27 Jan 2005 23:18:31
Bo Raxo
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP


"G W Shrub" <whois@my.house > wrote in message
news:OfeKd.44303$Ob.36301@edtnps84...
>
> "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1106865721.307311.203180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> ...
> > The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
> > they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
> > blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
> > man.
> ...
>
> Who cares? Bring him before a Sharia court and charge him with slandering
> Islam. The charge is easy to prove and the penalty is stoning to death.

Wow, that Afghan hash must be some strong stuff!







28 Jan 2005 01:30:52
Greylock
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On 27 Jan 2005 14:42:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>> >Greylock wrote:
>> ...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?
>
>Because he is thought to have facilitated the 9/11 attacks (and
>others)?
>The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
>they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
>blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
>man.
>
>Do you understand that we are *not* looking for OSB *very hard*? When
>the Taliban offered to hand him over for trial in the Middle East we
>said no. When we apparently had him cornered at Tora Bora we pulled
>back and geared up for Iraq. And in early 2002 (when he was busy
>selling the manufactured reasons to invade Iraq) W said that he wasn't
>worried about OBL and wasn't really looking for him any more (3/13/2002
>news conference). The search for him since then has been a very minor
>sideshow to the main event in Iraq. Before we went into Iraq, OBL was
>very down on Hussein because he was afraid he might try to impose his
>Baathist secular socialist state on Saudi Arabia. He apparently was
>abetting a small presence in northern Iraq to mess with the Baathists.
>But after we went into Iraq, Al Qaida became much more active there,
>aiding the fight against us.
>
>John Lehmann of the 9/11 commiussion says the Pentagon knows where OBL
>is and we even have troops in the area but they can't go and get him
>because it would become a big Viet Nam-like mess and we can't afford
>that right now. And that is because all our capital is currently sunk
>in Iraq.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_laden
>
>My main flippant point was that our government did a lot to help create
>the "brand name" of Al Quaida that OSB now milks. OBL never claimed to
>represent an organization called Al Qaida until the US government (led
>by W) spent many months popularizing the term. The term was coined by
>the FBI back in 1988 for lack of a better name for a certain loose
>association of people.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_qaeda
>http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2536&page=0
>
>> ...Your pissant political bullshit only serves
>> to show how thoroughly morally bankrupt you are.
>
>Ya whatever. If you'd care to discuss this civilly I'm there for you
>man.
>
>Surfer Bob


That's as civil as it gets. It was an assinine choice of expression
and no amount of after-the-fact-rationalization or explanation is
going to change that.

I get that you don't like PRESIDENT Bush. I don't give a good goddamn
about your political views.

Flippancy about the deaths of thousands is not an acceptable appraoch.

You can certainly express your views without being a jackass.

I suggest you do it in the future.


27 Jan 2005 20:42:30
Stumper
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

Surfer Bob wrote:
>
> > >Greylock wrote:
> > ...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?
>
> Because he is thought to have facilitated the 9/11 attacks (and
> others)?
> The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
> they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
> blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
> man.
>
> Do you understand that we are *not* looking for OSB *very hard*? When
> the Taliban offered to hand him over for trial in the Middle East we
> said no. When we apparently had him cornered at Tora Bora we pulled
> back and geared up for Iraq. And in early 2002 (when he was busy
> selling the manufactured reasons to invade Iraq) W said that he wasn't
> worried about OBL and wasn't really looking for him any more (3/13/2002
> news conference). The search for him since then has been a very minor
> sideshow to the main event in Iraq. Before we went into Iraq, OBL was
> very down on Hussein because he was afraid he might try to impose his
> Baathist secular socialist state on Saudi Arabia. He apparently was
> abetting a small presence in northern Iraq to mess with the Baathists.
> But after we went into Iraq, Al Qaida became much more active there,
> aiding the fight against us.
>
> John Lehmann of the 9/11 commiussion says the Pentagon knows where OBL
> is and we even have troops in the area but they can't go and get him
> because it would become a big Viet Nam-like mess and we can't afford
> that right now. And that is because all our capital is currently sunk
> in Iraq.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_laden
>
> My main flippant point was that our government did a lot to help create
> the "brand name" of Al Quaida that OSB now milks. OBL never claimed to
> represent an organization called Al Qaida until the US government (led
> by W) spent many months popularizing the term. The term was coined by
> the FBI back in 1988 for lack of a better name for a certain loose
> association of people.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_qaeda
> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2536&page=0
>
> > ...Your pissant political bullshit only serves
> > to show how thoroughly morally bankrupt you are.
>
> Ya whatever. If you'd care to discuss this civilly I'm there for you
> man.
>
> Surfer Bob



"Risk is our business."
- Captain James T. Kirk, The Savage Curtain

"That which is unreal can not exist."
- Mr. Spock, Spectre of the Gun

"I'm a doctor, not an escalator"
- Dr. Leonard McCoy, Friday's Child

"The best diplomat I know is a loaded phaser bank"
- Lt.Commander Montgomery Scott

"The more you try to overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up
the works."
- Lt.Commander Montgomery Scott
November, 2001

What a great show!

I think Star Trek is the best thing to happen to television since the
invention of the remote control *. Star Trek was the concept of Gene
Roddenberry. He often called it "Wagon train to the stars". I love it
because it represents an optimistic view of the future. This future has
eliminated, war, poverty, and disease on earth and has embarked on
scientific exploration and peaceful contact with alien civilizations.
Boldly going where no man has gone before.

If you haven't noticed from the last statement, I am really a fan of the
old series with Captain Kirk. Don't get me wrong, I like Star Trek: The
Next Generation, DS9, and even Voyager (to a point) but you really can't
beat the old series for some classic moments. More true statements were
quoted during the run of that show that I have found in my daily life as
a web designer to be gospel. There were real lessons that are more
applicable today than they were when the show was aired. Here are some:

* The more you try to overtake the plumbing, the easier it is to
stop up the works.
* Use the right tool for the right job.
* Logic is tweeting bird in field.
* Superior ability breeds superior ambition.
* What constitutes life?
* Laws of reality cannot be summarily dismissed.
* Klingons hate Tribbles and Tribbles hate Kingons and that's the
way it oughta be.
* Warp 10 cannot be achieved. (Unless, of course, you slingshot
around the sun for time travel.)
* You can't transport while shields are up.
* Plan "B" stands for "barricade".
* Never put your entire command crew in one shuttlecraft.
* And most importantly… If your in the landing party, NEVER, NEVER
wear a red shirt.

Okay, okay, not all of it is applicable to real life, but there still is
part of me that will never wear a red shirt on a camping trip. Fans of
the show know why. The situation usually comes about like this. Captain
Kirk and the landing party arrive on a strange unexplored planet. Kirk's
orders are as follows: Spock - Check for life signs. Bones - See to the
injured. Scotty - Repair the shuttlecraft. And you, Ensign Smith in the
red shirt - Investigate that glowing mass over there. Ensign Smith will
never be seen again, at least not alive, anyway.

Actually, my favorite scene in any of the episodes is when Kirk beats
the living hell out of Finnigan. (Come and fight me now, Jim!)

But you have to love the old series for the very technology that was
developed and influenced by the show itself. I am certain that electric
eye door openers were a byproduct of this show, as well as video
conferencing, as well as cell phones, and even floppy disks. Do you know
that medical science now has a hand held magnetic imager similar to a
tricorder? Watch the old series and see how many of the "futuristic
tools" they used are now commonly used today in the year 2001. I get
goosepimply just thinking about it.

But that still isn't the reason I love this show.

Star Trek stories are the stories of command struggle. This is
elementary business management.** That's the show in a nutshell. No
matter what the situation is, the chain of command is never far from the
focal point of the show. The character of Captain Kirk was unique. He
was able to incorporate his resources, get feedback from his crew and
come up with a command decision about an unknown. You had to love his
character even when all of the facts pointed in a different direction he
would trust his own instincts over all of it. The other thing that
people love about Kirk was that he was not beyond cheating. His credo
was: When the rules don't let you win, change the rules. The classic
story was about his final exam in what Starfleet called The Kobayashi
Maru. This was a no win scenario in which a command cadet entered a
scenario where a disabled freighter landed in an area called the Neutral
Zone. If the ship entered the Neutral Zone, it would be an act of war
against the Klingon Empire. If the ship stayed where it was and not gone
in, the freighter crew would die. The problem with the test is that no
matter what decision the cadet made, it would be the wrong one. The
computer would alter the scenario to make certain that the cadet would
lose. Kirk did not believe in the no win scenario and snuck in to
reprogram the computer so that there would be a winnable solution. His
rationale was that if the computer was allowed to cheat, then so could
he. He was not only the only cadet that passed the no win scenario, but
got a commendation for original thinking.

Another thing that is great about this show is that it is classically
written. In the old series, First Officer Spock represented logical
thinking and Chief Medical Officer, Dr McCoy, represented emotional
reasoning. Both the logical issues and emotional issues would be
presented to Kirk and Kirk would make his command decisions based on
those issues. The closest analogy that I can think of in this type of
literature is the Greek chorus in Oedipus Rex. There was always a debate
between Spock and McCoy. I think the best illustration of this was in an
episode called The Tholian Web. This was where Kirk was presumed dead
and Spock and McCoy were running the ship in the worst possible
circumstances. As they came head to head, they had to listen to Kirk's
final orders which were to get along with each other. I recommend this
episode highly, especially for those of you that have problems getting
along with coworkers.

The issue of "superior ability breeding superior ambition" is still
relevant today. In these days of cloning and genetic engineering, I
wonder how close we are to creating a Khan Noonian Singh. What will
happen when the "have's" come against the "have not's". I wonder. It
can't be good. Ironically enough, the Eugenics Wars that spawned Khan
happened right around 1996. With the issues of cloning and stem cell
research currently at hand when will the next step of custom made human
beings happen?

The original series only lasted 3 years of their 5 year mission. The
last season sort of limped along with preposterous plots such as
episodes like Spock's Brain, Turnabout Intruder, The Lights of Zetar,
and The Empath. The show was cancelled in 1969. However, the residual
episodes ran for years afterward and spawned six and a half movies based
on the original series**. There have been many books and even a cartoon
series based on the original episodes and written by the original
writing teams.

Star Trek has been in the works for over 35 years. Recently, the pilot
for a 5th series has premiered. This is a prequel series called
Enterprise. It is about the first few years of Federation alliance and
the command of Captain Archer (played by Scott Bacula). I tell you, It's
REALLY good. The current writers have gone back to the basics and have
made all of the right choices. It really looks very promising and now my
Wednesday nights may be booked for quite a while.

In these days, I think of terrorism and biological, chemical, and
nuclear threats. It is refreshing to know that man will still dream of a
future where everything will work out and the best of the human
condition will overcome their obstacles. Technology and science will
come together with a society that is mature enough to use them
constructively. I have a feeling that this will happen as they boldly go
where no ONE has gone before.


* - Of course, now that I am truly showing my age, being the type of
person who remembers getting up to turn the channel, I can hide my gray
hairs under my Superman baseball hat and hope that no one calls me
"grandpa". I'm having a problem adjusting to age, 35. This has been ever
since the World Trade Center attack and finding out that I am now too
old to enlist. That's right. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't go at this
point. So much for being patriotic.


28 Jan 2005 08:18:20
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Greylock wrote:

> On 27 Jan 2005 14:42:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> Greylock wrote:
>>> ...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?

No. Is that Ocean Beach @ Lincoln or Ocean Beach @ Lawton. I can't
remember which one is closest to the numero dos log house. In any case,
neither is a reef break, the currents are crappy, the water is cold, and
the waves are mushy. Half-hour paddleouts are the norm. Go north a state
or two!

--------------------------------------
Rod Rodgers
Bring on the SPF!
http://www.rodNDtube.com/


28 Jan 2005 09:03:09
Surfer Bob
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

Do you deny the truth of any of the factual statements I made?
Surfer Bob



28 Jan 2005 17:42:48
Turby
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:55:27 GMT, "Bo Raxo"
<invasions_r_us@thepentagon.removethis.com > wrote:

>
>"Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1106865721.307311.203180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > >Greylock wrote:
>> > ...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?
>>
>> Because he is thought to have facilitated the 9/11 attacks (and
>> others)?
>> The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
>> they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
>> blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
>> man.
>>
>> Do you understand that we are *not* looking for OSB *very hard*? When
>> the Taliban offered to hand him over for trial in the Middle East we
>> said no. When we apparently had him cornered at Tora Bora we pulled
>> back and geared up for Iraq. And in early 2002 (when he was busy
>> selling the manufactured reasons to invade Iraq) W said that he wasn't
>> worried about OBL and wasn't really looking for him any more (3/13/2002
>> news conference). The search for him since then has been a very minor
>> sideshow to the main event in Iraq. Before we went into Iraq, OBL was
>> very down on Hussein because he was afraid he might try to impose his
>> Baathist secular socialist state on Saudi Arabia. He apparently was
>> abetting a small presence in northern Iraq to mess with the Baathists.
>> But after we went into Iraq, Al Qaida became much more active there,
>> aiding the fight against us.
>>
>> John Lehmann of the 9/11 commiussion says the Pentagon knows where OBL
>> is and we even have troops in the area but they can't go and get him
>> because it would become a big Viet Nam-like mess and we can't afford
>> that right now. And that is because all our capital is currently sunk
>> in Iraq.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_laden
>>
>
>Well, that's in interesting theory. I agree that we aren't looking for OBL
>very hard, but that's because it's rather obvious where he is: Pakistan.
>The Pakis won't let U.S. troops in to the country to search the western
>portion for him, they insist their own security forces handle it.
>Pakistan's intelligence services were always very friendly with the Taliban,
>part of a strong religious loyalty that means regardless of Mushareff's
>strategic tilt towards the west, they'll keep hosting jihadist forces.
>
>U.S. intelligence, I think, knows he's in Pakistan. So there's no use
>looking for him very hard, when we know where he is, and can't touch him.

Can't touch him? We (Bush's administration) has said we'll go
_anywhere_ to get terrorists. We've invaded _two_ sovereign nations to
stop terrorists. The Paki government doesn't even have control over
that part of their country. We'd be doing them a favor to go in and
get OBL.

>Besides, he's a very handy boogeyman for the administration. As you said,
>Bush's team has spent a lot of time building up OBL and related properties
>as brand names, no need to create some situation that might call for nuance.

Ah, you mean it's all political bullshit? That's more like it.

--
Turby the Turbosurfer


28 Jan 2005 17:46:57
Turby
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:30:52 GMT, Greylock <greylock@houston.rr.com >
wrote:

>On 27 Jan 2005 14:42:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> >Greylock wrote:
>>> ...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?
>>
>>Because he is thought to have facilitated the 9/11 attacks (and
>>others)?
>>The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
>>they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
>>blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
>>man.
>>
>>Do you understand that we are *not* looking for OSB *very hard*?
>>> ...Your pissant political bullshit only serves
>>> to show how thoroughly morally bankrupt you are.
>>
>>Ya whatever. If you'd care to discuss this civilly I'm there for you
>>man.
>>
>>Surfer Bob
>
>
>That's as civil as it gets. It was an assinine choice of expression
>and no amount of after-the-fact-rationalization or explanation is
>going to change that.
>
>I get that you don't like PRESIDENT Bush. I don't give a good goddamn
>about your political views.
>
>Flippancy about the deaths of thousands is not an acceptable appraoch.
>
>You can certainly express your views without being a jackass.
>
>I suggest you do it in the future.

Profanity is no more acceptable than flippancy. I _hope_ you can
express your views without it. I suggest you use less in the future.

--
Turby the Turbosurfer


28 Jan 2005 20:06:01
Greylock
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On 28 Jan 2005 09:03:09 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>Do you deny the truth of any of the factual statements I made?
>Surfer Bob

Are you simply too dense to understand the concept that your method of
expression is unacceptable?

I DO NOT CARE what your political baggage is or what your perceived
grievance is.

Smartass remarks about the deaths of thousands of Americans are not an
acceptable way of expressing yourself.



28 Jan 2005 20:11:50
Greylock
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:46:57 GMT, Turby <turbosurfer@beach.comber >
wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:30:52 GMT, Greylock <greylock@houston.rr.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 27 Jan 2005 14:42:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>> >Greylock wrote:
>>>> ...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?
>>>
>>>Because he is thought to have facilitated the 9/11 attacks (and
>>>others)?
>>>The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
>>>they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
>>>blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
>>>man.
>>>
>>>Do you understand that we are *not* looking for OSB *very hard*?
>>>> ...Your pissant political bullshit only serves
>>>> to show how thoroughly morally bankrupt you are.
>>>
>>>Ya whatever. If you'd care to discuss this civilly I'm there for you
>>>man.
>>>
>>>Surfer Bob
>>
>>
>>That's as civil as it gets. It was an assinine choice of expression
>>and no amount of after-the-fact-rationalization or explanation is
>>going to change that.
>>
>>I get that you don't like PRESIDENT Bush. I don't give a good goddamn
>>about your political views.
>>
>>Flippancy about the deaths of thousands is not an acceptable appraoch.
>>
>>You can certainly express your views without being a jackass.
>>
>>I suggest you do it in the future.
>
>Profanity is no more acceptable than flippancy. I _hope_ you can
>express your views without it. I suggest you use less in the future.

I find profanity much more acceptable in the context of the
situation.

And I don't recall your taking "Surfer Bob" to task for his repulsive
comments, which leads to the suspicion you are simply a partisan sans
guts.

I suggest you simply go away.


28 Jan 2005 14:25:01
Surfer Bob
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

Greylock wrote:
> Are you simply too dense to understand the concept that your method
of
> expression is unacceptable?

It is quite easy to understand that you find my words unacceptable. You
are welcome to your opinon.

> I DO NOT CARE what your political baggage is or what your perceived
> grievance is.

I clearly touched a nerve with you here. If I am bullshit, then what do
you think are important points about our problems with OBL?

> Smartass remarks about the deaths of thousands of Americans are not
an
> acceptable way of expressing yourself.

I am concerned about the deaths of all people, because we are all God's
children. I have a special fondness for Americans, because I am one,
but I am not indifferent to the very large number of other people who
have been killed in the present conflicts.

If I do not like our president, it is because he has betrayed our
trust. Our democratic institutions require trust. When the president
asks Congress to consent to war - the most difficult moral judgment it
can make - Congress must be able to trust the information provided by
the administration. When the President asks our fighting men and women
to put their lives on the line for a reason, they must be able to trust
that the reason he has given is true. It is a betrayal of trust for the
president to ask our soldiers to risk their lives under false
pretenses. And when the president asks the American people to put their
sons and daughters in harm's way and to spend money that could be used
for schools, for health care, for helping desperate people, for
rebuilding decaying infrastructure, and for economic stimulation in
hard times, it is a betrayal of trust for the president to give false
impressions.

Surfer Bob



29 Jan 2005 00:35:15
Greylock
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On 28 Jan 2005 14:25:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com >
wrote:

>Greylock wrote:
>> Are you simply too dense to understand the concept that your method
>of
>> expression is unacceptable?
>
>It is quite easy to understand that you find my words unacceptable. You
>are welcome to your opinon.
>
>> I DO NOT CARE what your political baggage is or what your perceived
>> grievance is.
>
>I clearly touched a nerve with you here. If I am bullshit, then what do
>you think are important points about our problems with OBL?

I now am convinced that you are a loon and are beyond considering that
you are a conscientousless asshole who's only interested in his own
little world of grievance.

And you clearly have no clue - and are not interested in learning -
the facts regarding how intelligence gathering and analysis works. But
I would point out that the previous president and the United Nations
were also convinced that Saddam had WMD. I would also point out that
anyone could hide anything in that country and it would be very likely
to stay hidden.

But I am through wasting my time with a willfully ignorant dickhead
with a grudge.




>
>> Smartass remarks about the deaths of thousands of Americans are not
>an
>> acceptable way of expressing yourself.
>
>I am concerned about the deaths of all people, because we are all God's
>children. I have a special fondness for Americans, because I am one,
>but I am not indifferent to the very large number of other people who
>have been killed in the present conflicts.
>
>If I do not like our president, it is because he has betrayed our
>trust. Our democratic institutions require trust. When the president
>asks Congress to consent to war - the most difficult moral judgment it
>can make - Congress must be able to trust the information provided by
>the administration. When the President asks our fighting men and women
>to put their lives on the line for a reason, they must be able to trust
>that the reason he has given is true. It is a betrayal of trust for the
>president to ask our soldiers to risk their lives under false
>pretenses. And when the president asks the American people to put their
>sons and daughters in harm's way and to spend money that could be used
>for schools, for health care, for helping desperate people, for
>rebuilding decaying infrastructure, and for economic stimulation in
>hard times, it is a betrayal of trust for the president to give false
>impressions.
>
>Surfer Bob



29 Jan 2005 12:35:07
westoz
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP


"Greylock" <greylock@houston.rr.com > wrote in message
news:icmlv0lij4jtf17fo7u2lejlcdfl1ble8c@4ax.com...
> On 28 Jan 2005 14:25:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Greylock wrote:
>>> Are you simply too dense to understand the concept that your method
>>of
>>> expression is unacceptable?
>>


Flek ?




28 Jan 2005 20:58:00
Mike Sullivan
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP



Greylock wrote:

> On 28 Jan 2005 14:25:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Greylock wrote:
> >> Are you simply too dense to understand the concept that your method
> >of
> >> expression is unacceptable?
> >
> >It is quite easy to understand that you find my words unacceptable. You
> >are welcome to your opinon.
> >
> >> I DO NOT CARE what your political baggage is or what your perceived
> >> grievance is.
> >
> >I clearly touched a nerve with you here. If I am bullshit, then what do
> >you think are important points about our problems with OBL?
>
> I now am convinced that you are a loon and are beyond considering that
> you are a conscientousless asshole who's only interested in his own
> little world of grievance.

Still can't answer questions, Flek? The mis-spellings give it
away every time.

>
> And you clearly have no clue - and are not interested in learning -
> the facts regarding how intelligence gathering and analysis works. But

One of the following is true:
1. The US intelligence and analysis of Saddam's capablity and
threat to the US was incompetent. or:

2. The intelligence and analysis was ignored.

you make the call. who was clueless about intel and analysis,
the intelligence services or the Bush admin?

> I would point out that the previous president and the United Nations
> were also convinced that Saddam had WMD. I would also point out that

in January 2003 the UN nuclear inspections group IAEA told the
UN that Iraq was not in material breach of the disarmament resolutions.
Blix asked US and Britain for specifics of their WMD claims for
further inspections.

So that's false. As for Clinton, since 2000, what intel reports was
he reading?


>
> anyone could hide anything in that country and it would be very likely
> to stay hidden.

likely. I think some will still show up sometime, but no 'mushroom clouds'
over NY and certainly none that can be 'deployed in 45 minutes'.

Still waiting for Powell's Bio lab trailers and those bioweapon delivery
drones.

How's the intel gathering going in Iran? How long before we entice
them to shoot down one of our planes that are flying 'accidentally' in
their airspace or capture some special forces unit?

Did Bush tell the truth yesterday when he said we'd leave Iraq if
the newly 'elected' government asked?

mike





28 Jan 2005 21:22:49
shaft®
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

Hey can you and surferbawb, take alt.surfing out of the header
and keep this and your other political gibberish in alt.support.loneliness
where it belongs?

Thanks!

"Mike Sullivan" <sully@forsythe.stanford.edu > wrote in message
news:41FB17D7.9E948C43@forsythe.stanford.edu...
>
>
> Greylock wrote:
>
> > On 28 Jan 2005 14:25:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Greylock wrote:
> > >> Are you simply too dense to understand the concept that your method
> > >of
> > >> expression is unacceptable?
> > >
> > >It is quite easy to understand that you find my words unacceptable. You
> > >are welcome to your opinon.
> > >
> > >> I DO NOT CARE what your political baggage is or what your perceived
> > >> grievance is.
> > >
> > >I clearly touched a nerve with you here. If I am bullshit, then what do
> > >you think are important points about our problems with OBL?
> >
> > I now am convinced that you are a loon and are beyond considering that
> > you are a conscientousless asshole who's only interested in his own
> > little world of grievance.
>
> Still can't answer questions, Flek? The mis-spellings give it
> away every time.
>
> >
> > And you clearly have no clue - and are not interested in learning -
> > the facts regarding how intelligence gathering and analysis works. But
>
> One of the following is true:
> 1. The US intelligence and analysis of Saddam's capablity and
> threat to the US was incompetent. or:
>
> 2. The intelligence and analysis was ignored.
>
> you make the call. who was clueless about intel and analysis,
> the intelligence services or the Bush admin?
>
> > I would point out that the previous president and the United Nations
> > were also convinced that Saddam had WMD. I would also point out that
>
> in January 2003 the UN nuclear inspections group IAEA told the
> UN that Iraq was not in material breach of the disarmament resolutions.
> Blix asked US and Britain for specifics of their WMD claims for
> further inspections.
>
> So that's false. As for Clinton, since 2000, what intel reports was
> he reading?
>
>
> >
> > anyone could hide anything in that country and it would be very likely
> > to stay hidden.
>
> likely. I think some will still show up sometime, but no 'mushroom
clouds'
> over NY and certainly none that can be 'deployed in 45 minutes'.
>
> Still waiting for Powell's Bio lab trailers and those bioweapon delivery
> drones.
>
> How's the intel gathering going in Iran? How long before we entice
> them to shoot down one of our planes that are flying 'accidentally' in
> their airspace or capture some special forces unit?
>
> Did Bush tell the truth yesterday when he said we'd leave Iraq if
> the newly 'elected' government asked?
>
> mike
>
>
>





28 Jan 2005 21:18:34
Mike Sullivan
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP



"shaft®" wrote:

> Hey can you and surferbawb, take alt.surfing out of the header
> and keep this and your other political gibberish in alt.support.loneliness
> where it belongs?
>

lol, caught that too late.

Why don't you come over and change Bob
and my diapers for us, you got to be getting
good at it now.

I suppose you figured out by now that
talc is some sort of eeevil corporate plot!



28 Jan 2005 19:53:03
george of the jungle
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:11:50 GMT, Greylock <greylock@houston.rr.com >
wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:46:57 GMT, Turby <turbosurfer@beach.comber>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:30:52 GMT, Greylock <greylock@houston.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 27 Jan 2005 14:42:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>> >Greylock wrote:
>>>>> ...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?
>>>>
>>>>Because he is thought to have facilitated the 9/11 attacks (and
>>>>others)?
>>>>The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
>>>>they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
>>>>blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
>>>>man.
>>>>
>>>>Do you understand that we are *not* looking for OSB *very hard*?
>>>>> ...Your pissant political bullshit only serves
>>>>> to show how thoroughly morally bankrupt you are.
>>>>
>>>>Ya whatever. If you'd care to discuss this civilly I'm there for you
>>>>man.
>>>>
>>>>Surfer Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>That's as civil as it gets. It was an assinine choice of expression
>>>and no amount of after-the-fact-rationalization or explanation is
>>>going to change that.
>>>
>>>I get that you don't like PRESIDENT Bush. I don't give a good goddamn
>>>about your political views.
>>>
>>>Flippancy about the deaths of thousands is not an acceptable appraoch.
>>>
>>>You can certainly express your views without being a jackass.
>>>
>>>I suggest you do it in the future.
>>
>>Profanity is no more acceptable than flippancy. I _hope_ you can
>>express your views without it. I suggest you use less in the future.
>
> I find profanity much more acceptable in the context of the
>situation.
>
>And I don't recall your taking "Surfer Bob" to task for his repulsive
>comments, which leads to the suspicion you are simply a partisan sans
>guts.
>
>I suggest you simply go away.

That should be easy to arrange. What group are you posting from,
Greylock? This thread was X-Posted to:
alt.survival,alt.true-crime,alt.zen,alt.surfing,alt.support.loneliness

This looks like a thread we don't need to continue.

_george


29 Jan 2005 08:04:21
SteveM
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

george of the jungle wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:11:50 GMT, Greylock <greylock@houston.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:46:57 GMT, Turby <turbosurfer@beach.comber>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:30:52 GMT, Greylock <greylock@houston.rr.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 27 Jan 2005 14:42:01 -0800, "Surfer Bob" <surferbeto@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Greylock wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...Do you recall WHY we are looking for OBL, shithead?
>>>>>
>>>>>Because he is thought to have facilitated the 9/11 attacks (and
>>>>>others)?
>>>>>The FBI still doesn't cite 9/11 as something OSB is wanted for, because
>>>>>they don't think they can prove it. The other various bombings they do
>>>>>blame him for were quite nasty enough though. Yes, he is a very bad
>>>>>man.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you understand that we are *not* looking for OSB *very hard*?
>>>>>
>>>>>>...Your pissant political bullshit only serves
>>>>>>to show how thoroughly morally bankrupt you are.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ya whatever. If you'd care to discuss this civilly I'm there for you
>>>>>man.
>>>>>
>>>>>Surfer Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's as civil as it gets. It was an assinine choice of expression
>>>>and no amount of after-the-fact-rationalization or explanation is
>>>>going to change that.
>>>>
>>>>I get that you don't like PRESIDENT Bush. I don't give a good goddamn
>>>>about your political views.
>>>>
>>>>Flippancy about the deaths of thousands is not an acceptable appraoch.
>>>>
>>>>You can certainly express your views without being a jackass.
>>>>
>>>>I suggest you do it in the future.
>>>
>>>Profanity is no more acceptable than flippancy. I _hope_ you can
>>>express your views without it. I suggest you use less in the future.
>>
>>I find profanity much more acceptable in the context of the
>>situation.
>>
>>And I don't recall your taking "Surfer Bob" to task for his repulsive
>>comments, which leads to the suspicion you are simply a partisan sans
>>guts.
>>
>>I suggest you simply go away.
>
>
> That should be easy to arrange. What group are you posting from,
> Greylock? This thread was X-Posted to:
> alt.survival,alt.true-crime,alt.zen,alt.surfing,alt.support.loneliness
>
> This looks like a thread we don't need to continue.
>
> _george

Nice cover dudes. You're practically falling over yourselves
claiming this guy is Flek, but then once someone else brings it
to your attention it's all cross-posted, you change the subject.
Just like true liberals, ya can't ever admit you might be wrong.
Flek is not an island.
<insert smiley face here >

Later,
Steve



29 Jan 2005 08:36:32
Turby
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:11:50 GMT, Greylock <greylock@houston.rr.com >
wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:46:57 GMT, Turby <turbosurfer@beach.comber>
>wrote:
>
>>Profanity is no more acceptable than flippancy. I _hope_ you can
>>express your views without it. I suggest you use less in the future.
>
> I find profanity much more acceptable in the context of the
>situation.

>And I don't recall your taking "Surfer Bob" to task for his repulsive
>comments, which leads to the suspicion you are simply a partisan sans
>guts.

I find the situation far more profane than anything you or Bob could
possibly write, but since the administration was civil enough to shake
hands with Saddam Hussain, I figure they must think that's the best
way to deal with people with whom you disagree. But hey, if you don't
want to follow your president's lead, feel free to be as rude as you
like.

>I suggest you simply go away.

I've gone away a lot, but I always come back.

--
Turby the Turbosurfer


29 Jan 2005 06:30:59
Surfer Bob
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

Greylock wrote:
> But I am through wasting my time with a willfully ignorant dickhead
> with a grudge.

If any substantive thoughts about anything I said occur to you, feel
free to be in touch.

Bye,
Surfer Bob



29 Jan 2005 06:41:28
shaft®
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

"Mike Sullivan" <sully@forsythe.stanford.edu > wrote
> lol, caught that too late.

Don't let a little thing like that stop ya, net kook.

> Why don't you come over and change Bob
> and my diapers for us, you got to be getting
> good at it now.

No doubt you and bawb need one badly. You guys
are leaving a trail of tears wherever you go! But I
don't do diapers, my boy.

It cuts into surf time.




29 Jan 2005 06:36:23
Surfer Bob
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

Greylock wrote:
> But I am through wasting my time with a willfully ignorant dickhead
> with a grudge.

If any substantive thoughts about anything I said occur to you, feel
free to be in touch.

Bye,
Surfer Bob



29 Jan 2005 06:42:01
Surfer Bob
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

Greylock is clearly not Flek. Flek would make real conversation.

Anyone paying attention knew this was classically crossposted flamewar
bait from the get-go.

W and OBL need each other like the Mendellin cartel needed Ed Meese.
'nuff said,
Surfer Bob



29 Jan 2005 07:58:36
Mike Sullivan
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP



SteveM wrote:

> george of the jungle wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:11:50 GMT, Greylock <greylock@houston.rr.com>
>

> snp
>
> Nice cover dudes. You're practically falling over yourselves
> claiming this guy is Flek, but then once someone else brings it
> to your attention it's all cross-posted, you change the subject.
> Just like true liberals, ya can't ever admit you might be wrong.

bshit. see my reply to lem?

just like a true reich winger, you ignore
or deny evidence
that doesn't suit your POV.


>
> Flek is not an island.

Flek's not a lot of things, including a troll.





29 Jan 2005 08:03:15
Mike Sullivan
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP



"shaft®" wrote:

> "Mike Sullivan" <sully@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote
> > lol, caught that too late.
>

snip

>
> don't do diapers, my boy

you don't do parenting, little girl


>
>
> It cuts into surf time.

you don't do that either.

Mike




29 Jan 2005 14:23:12
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, SteveM wrote:

> Nice cover dudes. You're practically falling over yourselves
> claiming this guy is Flek, but then once someone else brings it
> to your attention it's all cross-posted, you change the subject.
> Just like true liberals, ya can't ever admit you might be wrong.
> Flek is not an island.
> <insert smiley face here>
>
> Later,
> Steve

Last week's aborted visit was supposed to be under the cover of "the
bribe" (oh! I used an evel right winger's bad word, "abort"), back on
topic: the drinks and discussions were merely an undercover operation to
SAVE you from the religious right's tampering with the local water supply
in the Tidewater area. Foon gave me a magic potion, obtained from his
former employer, that evel government liberal science organization, a
powerful antidote to Pat Robertson's potions.

Nonetheless, SteveM may be on to something with Pat, as he expounds upon
"hell" - "Now, what is Hell like? Jesus said it's like Gleshna. Gleshna
was the city dump outside of Jerusalem. He said the fire is never quenched
and the worm does not die. It was eternal burning, a place of refuse and
burning and He used that to describe Hell. And He told us about that. He
said, "If your eye offends you, pluck it out. If your hand offends you,
cut it off. It's better to enter life maimed than having your whole body
to be cast into the Gleshna of fire."

--------------------------------------
Rod Rodgers
Bring on the SPF!
http://www.rodNDtube.com/


29 Jan 2005 21:13:23
SteveM
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

rockman@rodndtube.com wrote:

>
> Last week's aborted visit was supposed to be under the cover of "the
> bribe" (oh! I used an evel right winger's bad word, "abort"), back on
> topic: the drinks and discussions were merely an undercover operation to
> SAVE you from the religious right's tampering with the local water
> supply in the Tidewater area. Foon gave me a magic potion, obtained from
> his former employer, that evel government liberal science organization,
> a powerful antidote to Pat Robertson's potions.
>
> Nonetheless, SteveM may be on to something with Pat, as he expounds upon
> "hell" - "Now, what is Hell like? Jesus said it's like Gleshna. Gleshna
> was the city dump outside of Jerusalem. He said the fire is never
> quenched and the worm does not die. It was eternal burning, a place of
> refuse and burning and He used that to describe Hell. And He told us
> about that. He said, "If your eye offends you, pluck it out. If your
> hand offends you, cut it off. It's better to enter life maimed than
> having your whole body to be cast into the Gleshna of fire."
>


Um. What??
My post was at 3:00 AM, i have an excuse.
Your post was at 2:30 *P*M, what's your excuse?? <more smileys--that
goes for Sully too >



29 Jan 2005 17:13:08
shaft®
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

"Mike Sullivan" <sully@forsythe.stanford.edu > wrote
> you don't do parenting, little girl

Ya know, if my marriage was falling apart and I quit surfing
I'd be all self righteous about something, anything...




29 Jan 2005 17:26:01
Mike Sullivan
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP



SteveM wrote:

> rockman@rodndtube.com wrote:
>

snip

> Um. What??
> My post was at 3:00 AM, i have an excuse.
> Your post was at 2:30 *P*M, what's your excuse?? <more smileys--that
> goes for Sully too>

I caught the first one, but they don't do me much good.
I'm down to about one meltdown a week now though.





30 Jan 2005 04:05:16
SteveM
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

Mike Sullivan wrote:
>
> SteveM wrote:
> <more smileys--that goes for Sully too>
>
>
> I caught the first one, but they don't do me much good.
> I'm down to about one meltdown a week now though.
>
>

Just when *is* the official vote for the sippy cup award anyway?
Or did I miss that in the middle of all the tantalizing ASKOTY
campaigning and voting?

Later,
Steve



29 Jan 2005 22:16:24
Mike Sullivan
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP



"shaft®" wrote:

> "Mike Sullivan" <sully@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote
> > you don't do parenting, little girl
>
> Ya know, if my marriage was falling apart and I quit surfing
> I'd be all self righteous about something, anything...

damn, lemming, I got to start at the beginning
with you?







30 Jan 2005 12:24:46
Re: I am FALLING and I CAN'T GET UP

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005, shaft=AE wrote:

> "Mike Sullivan" <sully@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote
>> you don't do parenting, little girl
>
> Ya know, if my marriage was falling apart and I quit surfing
> I'd be all self righteous about something, anything...

Marriage... you married (or, re-married)? Is it time to call upon RicC=20
(#9)?

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